Absolute Best Counting Method for Double Deck?

[WABJ11]

I have been using Red Sevens for a Double Deck game with Lucky Ladies side bet with some good success. With pivot point of +4, and +6 on the LL. After being thrown out of several casinos, I realized there might actually be some good money in this with the proper bankroll.

Anyway I'm just trying to improve my game at this point as I think I am ready for a more advanced system. Any suggestions, and links, along with indices would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Deathclutch]

You'll probably get a lot of different answers with this because of different people's opinions on SC's and their accuracy, but I believe the general consensus is that it's between Hi Opt II and Advanced Omega II with the ace side counts.

[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by Deathclutch

You'll probably get a lot of different answers with this because of different people's opinions on SC's and their accuracy, but I believe the general consensus is that it's between Hi Opt II and Advanced Omega II with the ace side counts.

Ao2, and ho2 are virtually tied in WinRate. But Ho2, has a slightly higher score, lower RoR, and a little easier to use.

[WABJ11]

Originally Posted by jack,jackson

Ao2, and ho2 are virtually tied in WinRate. But Ho2, has a slightly higher score, lower RoR, and a little easier to use.

How much of an increase are we talking from Red Seven? Is it worth it to learn a new strategy?

Any links?

[Deathclutch]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

How much of an increase are we talking from Red Seven? Is it worth it to learn a new strategy?

Any links?

I would think if you're going to be playing DD it would be very beneficial, but for shoe games you'd probably be okay sticking to Red Seven, but that's just my opinion. I'm sure someone has a link to some sims that can show you the difference.

http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration6.htm

http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration7.htm

While not specifically Red Seven and Hi Opt II, this should give you an idea

[Deathclutch]

Just out of curiosity, how do the two compare on a DD game if neither use the Ace side count? And how do they compare to Zen if they don't use it?

[Brock Windsor]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

How much of an increase are we talking from Red Seven? Is it worth it to learn a new strategy?

Any links?

Use the UBZII bjinfo open source count. Saves learning to do deck estimation, pivot is the same, no side counts. Just learn the new tags and the single set of double deck index numbers. Should add about 0.2 to your return from the improved playing efficiency. Work smarter, not harder. Read the sticky in this forum.
BW

[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

How much of an increase are we talking from Red Seven? Is it worth it to learn a new strategy?

Any links?

Ho2, is a blast of a count, to use. I say yes, if your gonna play DD. However, i say no, b/c it actually took me a couple years of relentless paractice, to master these counts. By the time i was done, i looked i had been ran over by a bus. And felt like it too. Im still mentally wore out, to this day. It's one, of the resons, i dont participate, in alot of the math discussion on here.

[NchooseK]

Is hi-lo considered acceptable for DD or should it be kept to shoe games?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by Deathclutch

You'll probably get a lot of different answers with this because of different people's opinions on SC's and their accuracy, but I believe the general consensus is that it's between Hi Opt II and Advanced Omega II with the ace side counts.

There is NO consensus on that. Both are obsolete strategies, without a secondary count overlay,
like 2,5 +1 vs A-2. Ace-density 1/4D estimates, as recommended by the authors, won't cut the mustard.
That approach will only yield the same real-world result as

WAB's option is to stick with R7 but count all 7s +0.5 and recalibrate for true-count,
thus evolving R7 to a TC'd level-2 scheme, which will out perform HiLo and is on par with RPC,
ZEN, and Mentor. zg