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Old April 27th, 2010, 06:14 AM
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Default Advantage at Marina Sands. Wow

These are the rules at Marina Sands. If the rules are followed, the player according to the engine here states player will have 0.14 ADvantage.

http://app.cra.gov.sg/public/www/download.ashx?id=176

The rules are : Split up to 4 hands, double on any cards, ENHC, DAS, Surrender on any cards(Read 3.4. However, compare to 3.11),And Splits and double loses mere original if dealer has BJ(3.10 and 3.14),
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Old April 27th, 2010, 06:13 PM
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Link not working. ENHC rules cannot be used for this site Engine. No mention of the important S17 rules. If it is anything like Sands Macau, the HA is about 0.25% if I remember it correctly.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 08:18 PM
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You can go to it from here: http://app.cra.gov.sg/public/www/content.aspx?sid=131

It is S17. aND MOST PROBABLY 6 DECKS

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Link not working. ENHC rules cannot be used for this site Engine. No mention of the important S17 rules. If it is anything like Sands Macau, the HA is about 0.25% if I remember it correctly.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 11:09 PM
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For 6 decks, S17, DAS, No Surrender, Peek , the HA is .44%. With ES10
the HA is reduced by .24%. Net HA is .20%

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Old April 29th, 2010, 07:39 AM
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The rules posted seem like the standard Macau game.... ES10 6D S17 DA2 DAS RSto4 NRSA, HE 0.16%

Much better than Resorts World's game at 0.33%
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Old April 29th, 2010, 08:16 AM
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I will not make an issue about the difference in your MBS figuire and mine.

But the RWS figuire should be 0.62% and not 0.33%.

This is straight out of the Wizard of Odds web page http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/st.../european.html

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Old May 2nd, 2010, 12:48 PM
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These are the rules at Marina Sands. If the rules are followed, the player according to the engine here states player will have 0.14 ADvantage.

http://app.cra.gov.sg/public/www/download.ashx?id=176

The rules are : Split up to 4 hands, double on any cards, ENHC, DAS, Surrender on any cards(Read 3.4. However, compare to 3.11),And Splits and double loses mere original if dealer has BJ(3.10 and 3.14),
Dont all the BJ games in Macau use CSM? Was that figured into your HA estimate?
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 07:18 PM
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These are 2 very different types of BJ.
The ones played in Macau and MBS are with American rules. The one that is played in RWS is with European rules. They have different BS.
The MBS BJ has the ES10 added based on the American rules. It cannot be superimposed on the European BJ. For instance ES10 of 0.24% is based on the difference in BS of doubling 11 vs 10 whereas the European rules is to hit
11 vs 10. So for European rules the advantage of ES10 is less than 0.24%. In other words ES10 is not as valuable for European rules. The Advantage in ES10 is also less because you do not split 8"s against 10 and 11.
What the actual HA is with Surrender in RWS I really don't know. Perhaps you want to sent your question to the Wizard of Odds.
You make sense. There is obviously an interaction effect there between ENHC and ES10.

But would it really increase the house edge so much as to make an estimate of "0.31% to 0.4%" completely wrong? I'd say the interaction effect would definetly make my estimate of 0.33% an underestimate, but I don't think the house edge of the game would be greater than 0.4%.

MBS still has the better game, obviously.

So RWS will get the tourist market, MBS gets the real gamblers, perhaps? MBS can certainly afford to crank up their house edges without losing too much business. I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

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Dont all the BJ games in Macau use CSM? Was that figured into your HA estimate?
The difference a CSM makes to a 6 deck game is a drop of 0.02% in the house edge. On a 4 deck game it makes a difference of a drop of 0.035% in the house edge

I'm not sure if I took that into consideration, but generally I use the "theoretical" figures on the Wizard Basic Strategy calculator (which assume shuffle after every hand, i.e. CSM) as my basic house edge. So it has probably been taken partly into account.

Regardless, I think it is far to estimate the RWS game as 0.35% to 0.40% (I'm revising up due to the interaction effect Mr T pointed out), and the MBS game as 0.16%. From a cynical viewpoint I'd expect the MBS house edge to rise... if they changed to ENHC they'd still have Singapore's lowest basic strategy house edge for BJ and still get plenty of customers.
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Old June 27th, 2010, 08:04 PM
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Default What percentage of tables use csm there?

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These are the rules at Marina Sands. If the rules are followed, the player according to the engine here states player will have 0.14 ADvantage.

http://app.cra.gov.sg/public/www/download.ashx?id=176

The rules are : Split up to 4 hands, double on any cards, ENHC, DAS, Surrender on any cards(Read 3.4. However, compare to 3.11),And Splits and double loses mere original if dealer has BJ(3.10 and 3.14),
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