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Old March 14th, 2009, 02:48 PM
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I know it appears to be a "let's pick on Flash" theme here but a few things. Flash is someone that digs factual data from places and likes being informed and having that library of references. I tend to think he is right about the number of professional players out there but also what is the criteria you are going by to be considered a "professional player". Flash's income is due to his part time play... he plays less hours than me, he is a little more laid back about putting in a full time schedule which would explain his income. He is a knowledgeable black chip sort of player. He has the bankroll to play much higher stakes than me as I have seen him in action and I have a fairly hefty bankroll backing me. The only reason my average income might be more than his is because of the longer, grueling hours I put in.

In all my years of playing thousands of hours of blackjack in many places you know how many bona fide counters that I have run into among thousands of people first hand? Perhaps four... maybe five. Out of these 4 or 5 out of thousands of people how many of them were full time players making their living playing blackjack for an extended period of time? I'm not sure but even if it was all 4 or 5 of them, I have seen few other counters playing at a professional level. I HAVE seen novice counters that were sort of "missing a few pieces to the puzzle" though.

I talked about one novice counter that I had a conversation with in a casino one day, he was talking to someone about "the count" and blah blah blah so I started talking to him a bit. I posted about it on here calling him a "lamb to the slaughter" and caught critcism like I was picking on the basic hi-lo system or something or other. NO! I was picking on his strategy and the games he was willing to overbet his bankroll on! As soon as he began talking about his bet spreads, the games he played (such as 6to5 single deck, super fun 21, OTHER games such as roulette and 3 card poker), I knew he was no professional and a part time "want to be". He made such statements as "Oh, I love 6to5 single deck!" When I asked about the insurmountable HA due to the 6to5 payout he said "Well, it's not like I get that many blackjacks anyway... blah blah blah..." (He talked on to say some additional ridiculous things). I know this guy is out there right now, babbling to someone about what a hotshot expert blackjack player he is... Uhm... are you including this guy with your grouping of professionals?hahahaaaa Gosh, I hope not. Does the ROR posterchild kid that turned $20,000 into over $100,000 in a few months qualify as one of your multitude of pros out there? I saw an Asian gentleman the other day turn about $2000 into roughly $10,000 all in about a half an hour using a weird sort of positive progression betting format, betting huge money regardless of the tanked/poor count (he obviously wasn't counting)... he made big bucks! He is far from a professional though and I hope he has other sources of income for when the inevitable occurs. Hell, when I really think about it, I see darn few players that even adhere to basic strategy of the masses of blackjack players out there. I have or know of no factual data on just how many professional players there really are but I know what I see out there in my day to day operations over a very long period of time.

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Old March 14th, 2009, 02:58 PM
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How would you even spot a pro? If you could spot him, so can the casino.
In the thread where a doubter becomes a believer in Bojack, the doubter writes about the poor misguided player who is putting out big bets at all the wrong times, taking cards when he should be staying, yet somehow winning.
The writer is actually feeling glad that this know-nothing player managed to cover his losses and leave with a profit, until Bojack1 reveals himself in an utterly classy way.
`Pros are hard to spot,but there are plenty out there.

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Old March 14th, 2009, 03:14 PM
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Default BJ Ball.vs. BJ BASH

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By gaining access to Max Rubins super secret list of invitees to his BJ Ball.
Max has his "BJ Ball", this site has it's "BJ BASH". The only difference is at the "BASH" you won't see an attendee walk in with starched pressed levis, wearing alligator skin cowboy boots and a Buxom Blonde on each arm

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Old March 14th, 2009, 03:26 PM
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By gaining access to Max Rubins super secret list of invitees to his BJ Ball.
Though Rubin has a reputation for not outing blackjack players, I hold him suspect.
There was his testimony years ago about an instance at the Trop
There is his working for the darkside in California currently.

Perhaps I am a bit paranoid, but Rubin does not have my name.

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Old March 14th, 2009, 06:17 PM
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The only difference is at the "BASH" you won't see an attendee walk in with starched pressed levis, wearing alligator skin cowboy boots and a Buxom Blonde on each arm

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Old March 14th, 2009, 06:29 PM
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Though Rubin has a reputation for not outing blackjack players, I hold him suspect.
There was his testimony years ago about an instance at the Trop
There is his working for the darkside in California currently.

Perhaps I am a bit paranoid, but Rubin does not have my name.

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Have you ever known me to be serious? Max has my name, he just doesn't see fit to include me in the party. I'm pretty sure its out of jealousy.
 

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