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Old September 25th, 2010, 12:00 AM
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Okay, so I've been going to Twin River and playing blackjack there for a while. I've won a few times, but nothing more than about 500 dollars. The game though is obviously rigged. It doesn't matter if you play a sheet right or play dumb, you will win if it feels like paying you. I saw this girl hit the dumbest cards and still win because we were all winning. And I've seen people at the table play cards smart all game but win nothing.

I know that is the way it works sometimes, but when I was walking around the last time I went, the dealer had either 10,J, Q, K or an Ace. When you also play at the table, they will get blackjack either once or twice within each virtual dealer.The game is so forumatic and systematic that only a fool could not think that these tables are rigged.

You're almost better off playing slot machines because you can win more and it's cheaper to do so, if you go to Twin River. Other than that, I wouldn't advice anyone to got to thiscasino (Actually, I am being nice calling Twin River a casino because it's not a casino.)


This place is a joke, and a joke that I will never go back to. You are better off going the extra distance to Foxwoods. At least there, if you are a good player, you can win and you can also count cards unlike the virtual and rigged bullshit tables at Twin River.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be so upset if it was systematic if they actually told other people that. I know in New York, or at least what I was told, that they have games like that. But Twin River hasn't said that the tables aren't systematic. Does anyone know if you could sue them if you lost money there since they aren't advertizing realisticly? Not that I am going to sue them, but I am curious.

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Old September 26th, 2010, 07:00 AM
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Old September 26th, 2010, 03:46 PM
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I don't understand. If you seriously suspect cheating, contact the state's gaming commission. Games, especially the computer based ones, are tested to be fair ("fair" meaning the casino isn't screwing you over anymore than they are already guaranteed to, of course) by third parties and there are well known BJ gaming software out there that is very well respected and virtually guaranteed to be 'cheat free'. If you have any solid proof besides this emperical evidence, which to me sounds completely normal, then you should provide it to the proper authorities. The dealer getting blackjacks several times (especially in six-deck shoes) is very common. Hell last night the dealer had it three times in a double-deck pitch game! And I'm pretty sure most of the time there was at least one dealer blackjack every two double-deck shoes, if not multiples per game. It's not suspicious. Someone hitting when they're "not supposed to" and winning isn't exactly strange either. In a TV show I watched the other night, the guy double downed on a hard 17 against a dealer 7! He got a 4!

It happens man. You're gambling. And if you're playing on a virtual dealer machine, maybe you should try hitting the actual felt at a real casino. Are you talking about a real casino or a virtual casino anyway?
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Old September 26th, 2010, 05:47 PM
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I said it was virtual, and if he hit a 4 on a hard 17, he had to be counting cards or something because that is the only logical way I could ever see someone making a dumb move like that, especially on TV.

Back on the main subject: I said I would never sue them; I haven't lost enough money to sue them to care. I've just seen too much fluky stuff for the game to be fair.

I've played with dealers and I've never seen them do the stuff I saw the table do. The dealer once got 21 five hands in a row, with only getting blackjack once.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 06:10 PM
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Old January 5th, 2011, 01:40 PM
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A little late to this thread and this is my first post on this site, but…

I have been to Twin Rivers and I know what you speak of. “Rigged” is one way to call it, but I believe it is called Class II or VLT gaming. Most people think the phrase “Class II” only applies to the slots, but in a state that only allows Class II, it applies to all games in the building. If it didn’t, you would have a real dealer instead of a dealer in her underwear on a video screen. CT, NJ, and NV are Class III which means real dealers, real machines (slots, video poker, etc.), and real table gaming.

The video blackjack is really a VLT machine. It is pre-programmed along with the rest of the “casino” to pay back a certain percentage. Basic strategy is meaningless on these games. I know what you are saying – I saw people stand on 13 or 14 with a dealer A or 10 and win consistently, but then it seemed like my 19 or 20 on the first two cards was never enough. You can play BS perfect, you can count, you could even pray, but the payback is fixed at some poor number like 90% and you are going to get cleaned out eventually. The “L” in VLT means lottery and that is exactly what is going on - You are in a lottery with everyone else in the house.

You already have your answer to this problem – keep driving until you get to Foxwoods or Mohegan.
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A little late to this thread and this is my first post on this site, but…

I have been to Twin Rivers and I know what you speak of. “Rigged” is one way to call it, but I believe it is called Class II or VLT gaming. Most people think the phrase “Class II” only applies to the slots, but in a state that only allows Class II, it applies to all games in the building. If it didn’t, you would have a real dealer instead of a dealer in her underwear on a video screen. CT, NJ, and NV are Class III which means real dealers, real machines (slots, video poker, etc.), and real table gaming.

The video blackjack is really a VLT machine. It is pre-programmed along with the rest of the “casino” to pay back a certain percentage. Basic strategy is meaningless on these games. I know what you are saying – I saw people stand on 13 or 14 with a dealer A or 10 and win consistently, but then it seemed like my 19 or 20 on the first two cards was never enough. You can play BS perfect, you can count, you could even pray, but the payback is fixed at some poor number like 90% and you are going to get cleaned out eventually. The “L” in VLT means lottery and that is exactly what is going on - You are in a lottery with everyone else in the house.

You already have your answer to this problem – keep driving until you get to Foxwoods or Mohegan.
So your saying this casino has no live dealers....This is a machine we are talking about??? And they are only liscenced for class II machines???
If this is true then the video poker is also "rigged" meaning that if you were dealt a 4 of a kind...and threw the whole hand away ..you would be dealt another 4kind in the redraw....
Stay away from class II , no skilled needed..just luck..

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Old January 6th, 2011, 07:10 AM
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So your saying this casino has no live dealers....This is a machine we are talking about??? And they are only liscenced for class II machines???
If this is true then the video poker is also "rigged" meaning that if you were dealt a 4 of a kind...and threw the whole hand away ..you would be dealt another 4kind in the redraw....
Stay away from class II , no skilled needed..just luck..

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Exactly, on every point. In the video poker realm, it is very easy to see this Class II model in action by doing exactly what you mentioned in that you can throw away a winner and cards with the same win payoff will come back on the draw. By that I mean you could toss 4 Aces and get back 4 Sevens. There is also a "match the card" feature sometimes so you could toss a pair of Queens (assuming Jacks or Better machine) but on the draw, you might not get another high pair but will "match the card" and get the same even money payout that the pair would have paid. I have even tossed a pat straight (2 thru 6) and guess what? On the draw I got 4 thru 8. There is the possibility you could improve your first five cards though, but the Class II world has that covered even if you don't want to win. For instance, say you have two pair but for some reason hold all cards and hit draw. Behold the "genie" or "fairy" feature. Out comes this genie and it's wand touches the one non-paired card and POOF, the card changes and you have a full house. So as with BS in BJ, any strategy in the VP world is useless. A chimp will get the same result as you would.

I can't explain exactly how this Class II system works on video versions of BJ, Roulette, 3 Card Poker, and Craps, but its there. It's much easier to understand in the slot and video poker world because it can be compared closely to a scratch-off lottery game or a bingo game and that the machines are being controlled centrally rather than each machine standing on its own with a random number generator.

It's disturbing. Once you see it first hand, you'll be running for the door. The only reason I see it is my wife is a dedicated slot player (God only knows why) and she drags me into these slot / VP only places once in a while.

Here's a couple links with more:

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl...e-questions/2/

http://www.videopoker.com/forum/prin...s.asp?TID=1143
 

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