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Old May 12th, 2011, 08:02 AM
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Default How do you know when your barred and not just backed off?

How do you know when your barred and not just backed off? When I was in vegas, They read me some statement form a que card he had in his pocket, but they didnt even know my name, and i never signed anything, and it was totally undocumented.

What actually happens when you are barred?
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Old May 12th, 2011, 02:18 PM
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Don't they usually read a trespassing law when you are barred? On the other hand if they don't have your ID then go back in 6 months.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 02:41 PM
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How do you know when your barred and not just backed off? When I was in vegas, They read me some statement form a que card he had in his pocket, but they didnt even know my name, and i never signed anything, and it was totally undocumented.

What actually happens when you are barred?
That. You were barred. Feel free to go back almost immediately, to another shift, dressed differently. zg
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Old May 12th, 2011, 06:22 PM
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"Backed-Off" is when you are told that " you can play any games you wish except for blackjack."

"86'd" is when you are told to leave the premises, usually with a security guard escort.

"Trespassed" is when you are read the section of the local law that defines trespassing
in front of several witnesses (security guards and or staff), and told that you will be subject to
arrest upon returning to said property. Often you are told that the trespass is enforceable at all
properties owned by the parent company.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 08:43 PM
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"Trespassed" is when you are read the section of the local law that defines trespassing
in front of several witnesses (security guards and or staff), and told that you will be subject to
arrest upon returning to said property. Often you are told that the trespass is enforceable at all
properties owned by the parent company.
That's what that card was - the Trespass act. And yes; they often do TELL you that you're also barred from all of their other properties, but that's a pretty big stretch of the imagination. I seriously doubt that they can enforce THAT.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 09:11 PM
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That's what that card was - the Trespass act. And yes; they often do TELL you that you're also barred from all of their other properties, but that's a pretty big stretch of the imagination. I seriously doubt that they can enforce THAT.
I recall a court case where the judge agreed it's not the player's responsibility to know the corporate ownership of a particular casino.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 09:32 AM
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I recall a court case where the judge agreed it's not the player's responsibility to know the corporate ownership of a particular casino.
That is a fair ruling I'd say!
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Old May 13th, 2011, 09:12 PM
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That's what that card was - the Trespass act. And yes; they often do TELL you that you're also barred from all of their other properties, but that's a pretty big stretch of the imagination. I seriously doubt that they can enforce THAT.
Here in Nevada the wilkinson case pretty much makes the act of tresspassing someone meaningless, as the patron must be given the opportunity to leave, each time, despite previous warnings. I realize that case in nearly 40 years old, but there has been no other ruling that overturns it that I am aware of. Of course the problem is that if you are arrested for tresspass, you would have to lay out legal fees to pursue and fight it, making the whole thing very negative EV. I presume that is what you are referring to sucker?
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I presume that is what you are referring to sucker?
Here's what I was trying to say: Suppose Harrah's in Reno were to read you the trespass act, and then they were to tell you that you're 86'd from ALL Harrah's properties. THEN suppose you go into Harrah's Tahoe and they actually DO arrest you for trespassing, using your Reno backoff as an excuse. My GUESS is that you would probably have a pretty good cause of action for false arrest. (I'm not a lawyer; I could be wrong about this)
 

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