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Old September 27th, 2011, 01:55 PM
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Default BJ and other Games in Crown Late Sept 2011

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Minimum $10 - $15 BJ
Rules: CSM with approx 1Deck seen before recycling. H17, 6Deck DAS, NS Double9,10,11 only, SPL3, nRSA, OBO+1. Insurance 2:1, Blackjack 6:5, Perfect Pairs 6,12,25.

Minimum $25 -$100 BJ
Rules: CSM with approx 1Deck seen before recycling. H17, 6Deck DAS, NS Double9,10,11 only, SPL3, nRSA, OBO+1. Insurance 2:1, Blackjack 3:2, Perfect Pairs 6,12,25.

Maple Room Minimum $30 Max $1200


1 Table.

Rules: MSD. Player may Cut the Deck. 1st Card is burnt. May ask to reveal burn card. H17, 8Deck, DAS, NS, Double9,10,11 only, SPL3, nRSA, OBO+1. Insurance 2:1, Blackjack 3:2. Perfect Pairs 6,12,25. Penetration is 1.5-2.5 Decks dealer dependent. Drink Service is quick and receptive, with choice of alcohol and assorted drinks for free.

Monte Carlo Room Minimum $30-$100 Max $1200-$3000

3-5 Tables of $30. 1 Table of $100, 1-2 Tables of $50.

Rules: MSD; occasionally Hand shuffled. Player may Cut the Deck. 1st Card is burnt. May ask to reveal burn card. H17, 8 Deck, NS, DAS, Double9,10,11 only, SPL3, nRSA, OBO+1. Insurance 2:1, Blackjack 3:2. Perfect Pairs 6,12,25. Penetration is 1.5-2.5 Deck dealer dependent. Drink Service is quick and receptive, with choice of alcohol and assorted drinks for free.

Teak Room Minimum $30-$50 Max $2000-$5000

3-4 Tables of $30 BJ on non-smoking side. 3-4 Tables of $30 BJ on smoking side.

Rules: MSD; occasionally Hand shuffled. Player may Cut the Deck. 1st Card is burnt. May ask to reveal burn card. H17, 8 Deck, NS, DAS, Double9,10,11 only, SPL3, nRSA, OBO+1. Insurance 2:1, Blackjack 3:2. Perfect Pairs 6,12,25. Penetration is 1.5-2.5 Deck dealer dependent. Drink Service is quick and receptive, with choice of alcohol and assorted drinks for free.

Mahogany Room Minimum $50-$100 Max $3000-$5000

1 Table of $50, 1-2 Table of $100-200*On request managment can lower or increase limits.

Rules: Same as $30, but on the $100-$200 min table the only difference is S17 and maybe DA2. Not too sure if they changed it to Double on9,10,11 but it is still s17 game.

EDIT: There is some confusion on ENHC and OBO, OBBO and OBO+1. In Australia, there is no hole card; mainly for government regulation and prevents dealer peeking and collusion. It is not signifcant deviation from having a hole card. In order to explain OBO, OBBO and OBO+1, i will use this example.
88 v 10, You split. You now have 2 units behind the 8s. making 8 8 v 10.

[ 1.] --- 10

(1unit) 8 -- 8 (1unit)

[2.] --- 10

(1unit) 8----8,6 (1unit) [HIT]

[3.] ---- 10

(1unit) 8----8,6,9 (1unit) [BUST]

If a casino uses OBO, they do not take the BUST (1unit) they hold in eschrow. During eschrow, the 1 unit remains in play until the dealer draws his second card. If you doubled and Busted 2 Units are still held in eschrow.
In OBBO and OBO+1 they take the busted bet away; minus 1 unit. If you doubled and busted, both in OBBO and OBO+1 they take 2 units.

[4.] --- 10

(1 Unit)8,3 (Double)

[5.] ---10, A

(2 Unit)8,3,10

Now, in this scenario. In OBO+1 and OBBO, dealer will take 1 unit. Total 2 units. In OBO, dealer will take the 1 unit in eschrow. and leave the 8,3,10 double alone.

[6.] --- 10

(1 Unit)8,5 (Double)

[7.] ---10,

(2 Unit)8,5,10 (BUST)


The difference between OBBO and OBO+1 is when instead of 8,3 you recieve 8,5 and you double on 8,5. If you bust on the 8,5, in OBBO you lose your 2 units and dealer do not draw. in OBO+1, you lose 1 unit and keep your double and dealer doesnt draw. In OBBO you lose 4 Units, in OBO+1 max you lose is 3 Units.
It is better to play an OBO game than OBBO or OBO+1; because you truely only lose 1 Unit on OBO. Therefore OBO still equates to LasStrip rules. OBBO or OBO+1 are slightly unfair. OBBO is the true ENHC equivelant. While OBO+1 sits in the middle.


ROULETTE

$1 Table in the Poker Pit

Electronic Wheel, with automated spin, smaller wheel. Double 00 with american wheel, european layout. European Payout 35-1 on straight ups etc.

$2.50 Tables Main floor.

Normal Camergie Wheel. Dealer spins. Double 00 with american wheel, with european layout. European Payouts 35-1 on straight ups etc. There is a stop timer and bell ringer. Dealers told to give max 5-10 sec after spin for bets. Told to maintain spin every 15 secs. Spin when no players or bets. The bell is rung to tell players no more bets.

$5-$10 Tables Main floor.

Normal Camergie Wheel. Dealer spins. Single 0 with american wheel, with european layout. European Payout 35-1 on straight ups etc. There is a stop timer and bell ringer for the dealers. Dealers told to give max 5-10 sec after spin for bets. Told to maintain spin every 15 secs. Spin when no players or bets. The bell is rung to tell players no more bets. There is a $25 Table that does not adhere to the timer and bell on main floor that is Single 0.


$5-$25 Tables Monte Carlo and Teak Room.

Normal Camergie Wheel. Dealer spins. Single 0 with american wheel, with european layout. European Payout 35-1 on straight ups etc.

BACCARAT

$10-$25 Mini Baccarat, stand up. Tie bets 8-1, Dealer and Player Bonus. Non squeeze, CSM. Not too sure about all the rules on this one. Didnt ask.

$25 Two to One Baccarat. Sit down. Tie Bets 8-1. 3 card 8 or 9 pays 2 to 1 on winning banker or player bets. On event of Tie, all player and banker bets lose. Dealer and Player Bonus bets. Squeeze game. MSD.

$75-$100 Baccarat. Sit down. Banker 6 pays half, Tie 8 to 1. Dealer and Player Bonus bets. Squeeze game. MSD.

$75-$100 Commission Baccarat in Teak and Mahogany room.


Pai Gow only offered in Teak and possibly Mahogany room and upstairs near Tangerine Lounge.
Craps on the Main floor only. Very good craps croupiers.


Very Friendly and personable Customer service in Crown casino. Very nice way to spend the weekend or holiday. Do not expect exceptional croupier skills or service generally. A few exceptional croupiers though. A lot of their Croupiers very personable to talk to, but can't seem to improve their dealing.
Security seemed ok, saw a MSD company badge on a few, so dunno. Never had a run in with their security so can't say.

Last edited by blacklotus; September 28th, 2011 at 03:12 AM. Reason: As pointed out by Koz and aussieplayer, changed SP2 to SP3, typo
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Old September 27th, 2011, 03:50 PM
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Fair assessment, I'd say. I went on Saturday and saw a dealer cut around 0.5-0.75 in the Teak Room. Best pen I had ever seen at Crown.
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Old September 27th, 2011, 04:23 PM
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P.S You can split to 3 hands.
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Old September 27th, 2011, 07:14 PM
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So they now have free drinks, but no DA2 outside Mahogany...

Crown = Rape. Simple really.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 12:07 AM
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Default Crown BJ is bad but not rape

I guess this will fall into semantics, but my definition of rape would be unbeatable or scam. Crown BJ on a shoe is harder than other games in australia and the states, but it is definitely beatable.
I understand the pessimism, but when you wager $300 plus on T4 and get two tens v 7, its not like Crown suddenly changes the rules to draw to 20 and standoff on a Dealer 22. It is still blackjack with minor rule variations.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 02:19 AM
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I guess this will fall into semantics, but my definition of rape would be unbeatable or scam. Crown BJ on a shoe is harder than other games in australia and the states, but it is definitely beatable.
I understand the pessimism, but when you wager $300 plus on T4 and get two tens v 7, its not like Crown suddenly changes the rules to draw to 20 and standoff on a Dealer 22. It is still blackjack with minor rule variations.
I'm a basic strategy player, so I need things like a reasonable house edge, lots and lots of free liquor, and generous comps. Things that Crown does not have.

So for yourself, it may not be rape. But for me, its uber-rape. Its rape squared (like when a rapist gets raped by another rapist). Its super-mega-magno-rape.

I might have lost five grand in Vegas recently but at least the games were fair, I was consistently plied with free booze and occasionally cigars, and got a good comp at the end of the trip. Thus, whilst I was "f**ked" I wouldn't say I was raped.

Crown, on the other hand, is a totally different animal. I shall never even set foot in there.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 02:30 AM
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Default I totally understand your view StudioKandent

OMG! LOL! mega rape? suprise butsex!

Anyways, you are right, the conditions are terrible for your average player. even worse if you do basic. I wish i got cigars
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Old September 29th, 2011, 09:36 AM
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Default Da2

6 months ago I was playing in the Monte Carlo room and I could double on any two. Since when did this change? And why the hell has Crown put CSMs on every damn table now... It doesn't look like they're going to be making anything from the people who think they know how to count.

Maybe they want to isolate the counters by only giving shoes in the Monte Carlo room!
 

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