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Old October 25th, 2011, 04:54 PM
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Better to not say anything and be able to play than tell and be barred from playing in the town.
If you have proof, there are ways to turn them in without revealing your own identity.

If you just "suspect," it's better you keep your suspicions to yourself. Many strange things happen in a legitimate casino that you would swear must be cheating, but they are not.

The reason I say "if you have proof" is because you don't want to continue playing at a place where they indulge in cheating, because they might well find ways that you are unfamiliar with, and then your goose is cooked. I don't care how knowledgeable you are, there is always a new twist they can catch you on. When you knowingly deal with cheaters, be prepared to lose. The common sense rule is, unless you are a better cheater than the one who is cheating you, you have no business gambling with them. Why give a cheat a shot at your money?
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Old October 25th, 2011, 07:01 PM
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Most definitley true. Ballys even has a single deck game das rsa, an amazing double down rule, p.m. me for details, also when you spread to 2 hands your playing about 50-60% pen. Table limits are $5-$500, although they did raise the once for me. The rules for pen is even different as well as minimums for multiple hands. The minimums for how ever many hands you play is $5. A full spread of 5 hands gives you 75%-95% pen. And get 2 rounds. I have done that a few times. But watch it sometimes they will have asm's that stack the deck. Wait for it to be hand shuffled.

Advertised as full pay game. Meaning long-term house advantage playing just basic strategy is 0.00%. I do suggest if you play this game to stand back and watch it for a while.
I've seen this game and I'm pretty sure it was called single fun 21 and blackjacks paid even money, except for suited ones. I also seem to remember penetration being only r4 or r5.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 05:55 PM
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I've seen this game and I'm pretty sure it was called single fun 21 and blackjacks paid even money, except for suited ones. I also seem to remember penetration being only r4 or r5.
r5 for 1 player 2 players 3 rounds 3-5 players 2 rounds. If BLANTANT counting was not an issue I would be playing 5 hands getting ten hands in instead of 5-6 a deck. but yes sometimes I have played and for hours had to resort to standing 12-16 with a dealer 2-6 just to win. Because the decked seemed LOADED with extra tens and short everything else. You never wanted to take a card unless you had an ace. And I say seemed loaded because 1 deck would be considered negitive flux. Hell I would even say 5 decks are. But when you play for 5+hours of this and found out if you do the exact opposite of BS you win. I had my head scratching my head for day afterward. I even played a double deck that seemed to be loaded with extra 7-9's. Again hours and hours of this. Negative flux. I dont think so. So of course I made up for the apparent deck composition and mad my moves based on that and ended both sessions ahead. Dealers would blush and get embarrassed and fumble cards when ever I made the slight mention of HOW the deck looked.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 05:56 PM
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I've seen this game and I'm pretty sure it was called single fun 21 and blackjacks paid even money, except for suited ones. I also seem to remember penetration being only r4 or r5.

Also it is called Single 21, no fun in it. You must be referring to super fun 21.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 06:55 PM
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Also it is called Single 21, no fun in it. You must be referring to super fun 21.
Single 21 is not blackjack. Although not as bad as 6/5, it still has a HA of .65 If they are saying it is a 100% game, it is false advertising. A natural pays even money.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 07:40 PM
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Single 21 is not blackjack. Although not as bad as 6/5, it still has a HA of .65 If they are saying it is a 100% game, it is false advertising. A natural pays even money.
Yes but you are forgetting to take int account all the nice rules for the player. And for me it does not matter if it is 6/5, even money or 3/2. A system with above average Insurance correlation can take care of anything. I know for a fact I am playing at above 50% on Insurance bets, but thinking more like 65-70%. Saves a whole lot of units that would be lost to dealer blacks. Had 5 of 7 correct insurance bets one night and 4 of those were with my top bet out. It is as if none of those dealer blackjacks never happened.

The amateur player who knows nothing which is most of the wanna be counters out there only use hi-lo and BS and thinks that insurances bets are stupid, not to mention wouldn't know a perfect side-bet game if it kicked him in the ass. Where as a PROFESSIONAL takes into consideration the significance of taking the insurance bet at the recommended TC sometimes being as perfect as 90% on insurance corrilation making a 6/5 or even money game very profitable. I could add so much more on how 6/5 and even money games are still very profitable for single deck. But I might just be talking to deaf ears.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 10:19 AM
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Yes but you are forgetting to take int account all the nice rules for the player. And for me it does not matter if it is 6/5, even money or 3/2. A system with above average Insurance correlation can take care of anything. I know for a fact I am playing at above 50% on Insurance bets, but thinking more like 65-70%. Saves a whole lot of units that would be lost to dealer blacks. Had 5 of 7 correct insurance bets one night and 4 of those were with my top bet out. It is as if none of those dealer blackjacks never happened.

The amateur player who knows nothing which is most of the wanna be counters out there only use hi-lo and BS and thinks that insurances bets are stupid, not to mention wouldn't know a perfect side-bet game if it kicked him in the ass. Where as a PROFESSIONAL takes into consideration the significance of taking the insurance bet at the recommended TC sometimes being as perfect as 90% on insurance corrilation making a 6/5 or even money game very profitable. I could add so much more on how 6/5 and even money games are still very profitable for single deck. But I might just be talking to deaf ears.
Wow. Every single sentence is incorrect. Every one. That's got to be a new record. I guess that's what we should expect from a "professional" who is a master of card steering, but doesn't actually know what it is. Maybe you should stick to your thread where you ask if a card counter needs to use a bet spread. Or at least post something like this in the voodoo forum so that people don't think it is serious advice.

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Old October 27th, 2011, 10:29 AM
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Wow. Every single sentence is incorrect. Every one. That's got to be a new record. I guess that's what we should expect from a "professional" who is a master of card steering, but doesn't actually know what it is. Maybe you should stick to your thread where you ask if a card counter needs to use a bet spread. Or at least post something like this in the voodoo forum so that people don't think it is serious advice.

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Thanks for that. I was wondering where I had missed the lesson on 90% correlation insurance bets!
 

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