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Old November 13th, 2011, 10:59 AM
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x2. Let's to to restrain the response. Start your own thread if you want to go all political.
If I was a PA casino, I would plaster billboards along the AC Expressway:

"<Insert your casino name here>. Better BJ rules! Surrender! Stand soft 17! No more bulls*** dealer A64!!!"

Its like advertising better slot payouts, but you won't see casino mgmt do this, because they're stupid, and seem to have it in for these rules. Morons.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 11:55 AM
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You folks would do well to remember that these "morons" have turned gaming into a multi-billion dollar industry. I read last year that Harrahs casino-not the company, but the Harrahs casino- took in more than all of Las Vegas did in the 1970s.
In a terrible economy they are still doing pretty well for themselves. Is it in Caesars best interest to try and compete with itself between the Pennsylvania and AC markets?
There is a whole other side to the casino game than having good rules. Why do you suppose Harrahs with its bad table games and terrible slot and video payouts has comer to dominate the entire industry?
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Old November 13th, 2011, 05:00 PM
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I'm not a casino employee. I just feel that most of AC's troubles are primarily because of the recession and the fact that the PA casinos are closer to most people.. and not primarily because of bad house rules.
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Old November 14th, 2011, 09:40 AM
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I'm not a casino employee. I just feel that most of AC's troubles are primarily because of the recession and the fact that the PA casinos are closer to most people.. and not primarily because of bad house rules.
When I read about AC vs PA casinos, I see red. It's like comparing apples to oranges. It's not the same.

AC has all of it's casinos in one location, AC

Pa has it's casinos spread throughout the state.

Hopefully someday the state of NJ will wise up and allow gambling in other locations in the state. Allowing casino gambling in the Meadowlands would make a serious dent in the revenue of some PA casinos. Maybe in the closing of some. (Parx, Sands??)
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You folks would do well to remember that these "morons" have turned gaming into a multi-billion dollar industry. I read last year that Harrahs casino-not the company, but the Harrahs casino- took in more than all of Las Vegas did in the 1970s.
Yes casino management nowadays, by and large are mostly morons. I would say the original mob bosses who started the casino industry were innovative and sharp, the corporations that have taken over are just copying their model, and running it into the ground in AC and LV.

What eventually happens in virtually any corporation, and its the very nature of a corporation, is that it rewards short term thinking, by encouraging and promoting bean counters, who come up with "brilliant" ideas to nickel and dime the customer (like crappy BJ rules, amongst other things), that looks good on the employees year end review - "I saved this casino such and such $$$ by doing this screw over the customer". Of course, the long term effects of these actions are rarely considered, and often deleterious to the company.

Harrahs is a mixed bag of casinos, will say they are the most generous and aggressive when it comes to comps in a lot of ways. But bigger is not necessarily better, can think of some extremely well run smaller operations, like Borgata of not too long ago, and Mohegan Sun.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:27 PM
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“What these casinos in Philadelphia, Bethlehem and other areas have essentially done is take back the gaming share from those cross-border shoppers who used to go to New Jersey,” said Andrew Zarnett, a gaming analyst for Deutsche Bank. “It’s been a tremendous success — so much so that some time next year, Pennsylvania will pass New Jersey in terms of gaming revenue.”


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http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...mode=fullstory
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Old November 16th, 2011, 01:54 PM
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Yes casino management nowadays, by and large are mostly morons. I would say the original mob bosses who started the casino industry were innovative and sharp, the corporations that have taken over are just copying their model, and running it into the ground in AC and LV.

What eventually happens in virtually any corporation, and its the very nature of a corporation, is that it rewards short term thinking, by encouraging and promoting bean counters, who come up with "brilliant" ideas to nickel and dime the customer (like crappy BJ rules, amongst other things), that looks good on the employees year end review - "I saved this casino such and such $$$ by doing this screw over the customer". Of course, the long term effects of these actions are rarely considered, and often deleterious to the company.

Harrahs is a mixed bag of casinos, will say they are the most generous and aggressive when it comes to comps in a lot of ways. But bigger is not necessarily better, can think of some extremely well run smaller operations, like Borgata of not too long ago, and Mohegan Sun.
And one very important characteristic of those mobsters who ran casinos is that they themselves were gamblers. They offered the same games that they enjoyed playing in speakeasies and basements, and hesitated to offer a game that they couldn't imagine themselves or their peers playing. They surrounded patrons with the lifestyle they considered normal- good food, bad women, and alcohol. For sure, they understood vice and its enjoyment.

Modern casino execs have no personal affinity for what is going on in those buildings. They have to hire consultants to suggest to them what games patrons might enjoy playing. They don't know how a gambler wants to be treated at the table and in the house. All they know are spreadsheets and corporate culture, and none of that is going to help you when gamblers think your casino sucks.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 03:13 PM
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“What these casinos in Philadelphia, Bethlehem and other areas have essentially done is take back the gaming share from those cross-border shoppers who used to go to New Jersey,” said Andrew Zarnett, a gaming analyst for Deutsche Bank. “It’s been a tremendous success — so much so that some time next year, Pennsylvania will pass New Jersey in terms of gaming revenue.”


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http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...mode=fullstory
Of course they will. PA has 4 million more people than NJ. What took them so long?
 

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