Question on comps

cucuso4 said:

I'm interested in hearing how you fool the pit.

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There are literally hundreds of posts and dozens of threads about this subject. I'd suggest you read Max Rubins' Comp City and thensearch the forums.

Really not meaning to be argumentative, but you said

shadroch said:

There are literally hundreds of posts and dozens of threads about this subject. I'd suggest you read Max Rubins' Comp City and thensearch the forums.

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"I can name a few dozen ways of fooling a pit into it."

I have read Rubin. It's outdated. I only recently joined this forum, but have been on BJ21 for 12 years. I've read every post over there in "Cover & Comps".

You offered so I asked. That's my point.

Not at M life. I am not that familiar with others. That different ?

To the original point, for the betting level the OP is talking about, off-strip is the way to go.

shadroch said:

I'm sorry, but you are missing the forest while concentrating on a tree or two. An hour of $100 BJ may only earn you a few dollars in comps, but a week of it will earn you tier status enough to boggle your mind.

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cucuso4 said:

"I can name a few dozen ways of fooling a pit into it."

I have read Rubin. It's outdated. I only recently joined this forum, but have been on BJ21 for 12 years. I've read every post over there in "Cover & Comps".

You offered so I asked. That's my point.

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If you have read every post in Cover and Comps, then you have already read of dozens of ways to accomplish this, no? If you didn't learn them there, what makes you think me repeating them will be of much use.
There is little in Comp City that can't be applied to todays casinos, with a bit of fine tuning.
It took people all of what, two weeks maybe, to learn how to exploit the RFID chips.
I don't go to BJ21 anymore. Too much drama for me.
BTW- I never offered to do anything. I merely stated the fact that I can do so. So could at least a dozen regulars, as could you if you paid attention to what you say you read.

I apologize for my ass ump tion

shadroch said:

If you have read every post in Cover and Comps, then you have already read of dozens of ways to accomplish this, no? If you didn't learn them there, what makes you think me repeating them will be of much use.
There is little in Comp City that can't be applied to todays casinos, with a bit of fine tuning.
It took people all of what, two weeks maybe, to learn how to exploit the RFID chips.
I don't go to BJ21 anymore. Too much drama for me.
BTW- I never offered to do anything. I merely stated the fact that I can do so. So could at least a dozen regulars, as could you if you paid attention to what you say you read.

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You are correct. You did not say you would offer suggestions. You merely said you could. Could and will do have very different meanings.

I thought you had some super secret method to create steak house, suite, and show comps for a nickle player but I guess not.

I'll stay with my original opinion. That is: PLAYING for comps is negative Ev. I get everything I need and will use by just letting the comps come without effort. I've never purchased food or lodging at a casino. That's all I need or want.

cucuso4 said:

You are correct. You did not say you would offer suggestions. You merely said you could. Could and will do have very different meanings.

I thought you had some super secret method to create steak house, suite, and show comps for a nickle player but I guess not.

I'll stay with my original opinion. That is: PLAYING for comps is negative Ev. I get everything I need and will use by just letting the comps come without effort. I've never purchased food or lodging at a casino. That's all I need or want.

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If I had some super secret method, rather than give it away, I'd publish a book, price it at $500 and then refuse to sell it to anyone. But I don't. Instead I simply combine the wisdom of Rubin, Jean Scott,Anthony Curtis andthe experiance of the Las Vegas Advisor boards and a few fellow comp hustlers I've met to exploit the shite out of casinos. A group of us just banged out $600-$1800 each in comps from Harrahs at a cost of about $50 per person. Chances like that don't come all that often but when they do, we jump on them.

Was this a promotion ?

shadroch said:

. A group of us just banged out $600-$1800 each in comps from Harrahs at a cost of about $50 per person. Chances like that don't come all that often but when they do, we jump on them.

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Sounds as if you were playing a promotion. I view that as a different AP activity if a positive Ev can clearly be determined. Hammer away...

Almost always play rated. The EV of comps adds up quickly if you're playing at a decent level.

Card counters should look for ways to hustle comps ON TOP OF their counting wins. Don't give up a ton of EV for it, but if you're a green or red chipper, and you can get your room and all meals comped, that's a significant boost to your bottom line.

moo321 said:

Card counters should look for ways to hustle comps ON TOP OF their counting wins. Don't give up a ton of EV for it, but if you're a green or red chipper, and you can get your room and all meals comped, that's a significant boost to your bottom line.

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There really is so much more than that. People need to think outside the box.
As an example- there is a certain casino on the west side of town that gives me $50 in freeplay twice a month. To me, thats worth $250, maybe $300 a year as thats how often I am there to use it. But to a comp hustler I know, its worth well almost $1,200 a year as she'll play it all thru once on a VP machine and cash it out. Having access to my card is worth $600 a year to her.Having such access to a few dozen cards makes it very profitible for her.
Multiply that by a dozen or more casinos and the numbers get pretty impressive.
The casinos do eventually catch on and your freeplay dries up, but its freeplay you couldn't use in the first place so who cares.