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Old December 2nd, 2011, 11:34 AM
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Of course, as ZG cheerfully points out ad nauseam in any and every thread mentioning James Grosjean or ECAA, the casinos have all read the book,
Misinterpretation of my points?
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and thus all of my hours spent studying the material have been for naught! I hope Mr. Grosjean is happy with the massive $10K profit he must have made from this book (what a grifter, eh?), now that there are no more games to be played due to the loss of critical information to casino suits and surveillance personnel...
Sarcasm over played.

I never suggested that book profits were a primary driver. Clearly, with a mercurial person like ExCAA profits are secondary at best.

Obviously Lonesome would likely not have most of the info were it not for THE BOOK, and same applies for me and everyone else when it comes to card-counting books.

But I have mostly raised the question repeatedly: Why was this book of secrets and advanced knowledge even published? I doubt it was for financial gain. zg
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 12:15 PM
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Misinterpretation of my points?

Sarcasm over played.

I never suggested that book profits were a primary driver. Clearly, with a mercurial person like ExCAA profits are secondary at best.

Obviously Lonesome would likely not have most of the info were it not for THE BOOK, and same applies for me and everyone else when it comes to card-counting books.

But I have mostly raised the question repeatedly: Why was this book of secrets and advanced knowledge even published? I doubt it was for financial gain. zg
ZG,
I believe the Psychological reasons that have been discussed are very plausible, trumping the monetary motive.

I have to wonder, is JG, "Tulip"? (Sounds sorta feminine to me).

Any thought on that Z-Man? Has JG ever had a fondness for flowers?

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Old December 2nd, 2011, 12:29 PM
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ZG,
I believe the Psychological reasons that have been discussed are very plausible, trumping the monetary motive.

I have to wonder, is JG, "Tulip"? (Sounds sorta feminine to me).

Any thought on that Z-Man? Has JG ever had a fondness for flowers?
We had best tip toe through THOSE tulips, Brother Panther. zg
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 01:28 PM
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Who has gained from the publication of this book?

1) The author.
**(a)Financially: Massive -EV.
**(b)Fame: Massive +EV.

2)Casinos.
**(a)Game Protection: Huge +EV.
**(b)Proliferation of APs: -EV, but no where NEAR enough to make up for the game protection aspect.

3) People who are APs BECAUSE of the book: For the ones that have done their homework; HUGE +EV. These are the people who are - or at least SHOULD be - thanking their lucky stars for their discovery of this book. These are the people who think that ZG and other people's criticism of the book is nothing more than sour grapes. I fully expect many of these people to take issue with the points I'm making. I don't blame these people for feeling this way; if I were in this category I would feel the same way!

4) Long time established pros: Massive -EV. These are the people who have been hurt the worst, and have gained NOTHING. In this world there are only so many rainbows with pots of gold; there are now 10 times as many people with which to share the gold. And yes; according to the author there always WILL be advantages, but why would you want to PURPOSELY destroy the existing ones?
** There's nothing new under the sun. The simple fact is; there is NOTHING in that book that wasn't already known by most of the long-time established pros. There are probably a hundred or more people who COULD have written the book, but chose NOT to; for the reasons given above, and/or even more IMPORTANTLY, did not wish to betray the people who taught these moves to THEM - IN THE STRICTEST CONFIDENCE!
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 01:33 PM
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I have to wonder, is JG, "Tulip"? (Sounds sorta feminine to me).

Funny you should mention that. As I was reading the original post to this thread, I couldn't help but notice the similarity in the writing styles.
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 06:53 AM
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Funny you should mention that. As I was reading the original post to this thread, I couldn't help but notice the similarity in the writing styles.
and with the obvious true intent of the non-edited original post, and his past practices, a possibility, and in relation to other info I care not to divulge on this site, (but will very soon in the physical presence of other AP's.)

I, and many others, would also like to thank the Mods for quick action in having the original "cleansed".

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Old December 5th, 2011, 08:36 PM
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Funny you should mention that. As I was reading the original post to this thread, I couldn't help but notice the similarity in the writing styles.
Good grief, you of all people... I'm unfortunately beginning to expect this kind of nonsense from CP (whose continued willingness to pretend that he didn't notice my previous posts in this thread is either seriously pathetic or highly troubling), but I'm surprised that you would so readily jump on the crazy train.

As for your previous post, I agree with just about everything you said. I'm one of those APs who has done his homework and has benefited greatly from the book. I have never met JG, and I have no direct contact with him; as such, I have no informed opinion of him as a person one way or another. I do think he's a great writer and a player with a rare combination of theoretical and practical skills (the ability to figure out how to beat a game, analyze it at a high level, and actually apply the data in a live, dynamic casino environment is not a common one); as to his personality, I have no opinion, nor do I think it matters much in this context.

You also mentioned people that see ZG's constant pseudo-jabs at JG as being mere sour grapes—I imagine that I'm one of the people you're referring to. I don't think that ZG's intentions really have anything to do with his concern for the quality of today's games, and as such have little to do with the point you make. Anyone with even the most basic critical thinking ability (I apologize if that sounds condescending; that's not my intention) will see straight through his completely transparent façade.

For most of the rest of stuff in this thread, all I can say is that I'm starting to understand why the talent pool in this forum has thinned exponentially in the last few years. It's a shame.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 09:27 PM
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I would kindly ask you to be very, very careful in the way you have been referring to me in your posts. As you know I have always treated you with respect and helped you with info at those times when you requested it. You repay me now by showing me great disrespect, not wise.

We both know what the real issue is here, and it is very narrow and very limited. We have had private discussions concerning that very serious issue, that you and another are for sure involved in. Hopefully I will learn who the third one is, you know, but will not say.

As to the last two paragraphs in your latest post,, yes, they are very condescending, and insulting to many here, I am sure,,,but then again you have made it rather clear, you really are,, (in your own estimation),special.

Happy Holidays,
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Good grief, you of all people... I'm unfortunately beginning to expect this kind of nonsense from CP (whose continued willingness to pretend that he didn't notice my previous posts in this thread is either seriously pathetic or highly troubling), but I'm surprised that you would so readily jump on the crazy train.
I didn't mean to imply that I actually BELIEVED it. But I must admit that for a minute the thought DID cross my mind, what with the pedantic and slightly abrasive writing style!
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I don't think that ZG's intentions really have anything to do with his concern for the quality of today's games, and as such have little to do with the point you make. Anyone with even the most basic critical thinking ability (I apologize if that sounds condescending; that's not my intention) will see straight through his completely transparent façade.
I feel so exposed. You got me!!
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For most of the rest of stuff in this thread, all I can say is that I'm starting to understand why the talent pool in this forum has thinned exponentially in the last few years. It's a shame.
Yes, but other than Brother Monkey who's gone? (I wish Syph would visit more often) zg
 

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