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iwantblackjack

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BillytheBJkid said:
where is sugarland casino and will they have $5 tables?
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SugarHouse Casino is being constructed on 22-acre site at 1080 N Delaware Ave, near Frankford Ave and Shackamaxon St in Fishtown neighborhood of Philadelphia's waterfront. It's the same site where Jack Frost Sugar Refinery was. New 13-unit "green" condos at the Icehouse near Thompson St/ Columbia Ave, 530-1900 sqft, go for $159-$479k.

When PA eventually Expect rules to be aweful. They will probably follow the paths of West Virginia, Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, and the aweful places that do not follow normal BJ rules as written in books published in 2005. I would be very surprised and give them business if they have rules similar to AC and Vegas with normal BJ payout, a-6 dealer stands, doubling and splittings allowed, a-a gets 1 card, 6- & 8-decks,...late surrender after dealer checks (wouldbe nice), and, single-0 in roulette.
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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iwantblackjack said:
When PA eventually Expect rules to be aweful.
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I read an interesting article the other day that made a connection between the tax rate on a casino's table game net and some of the aspects like game minimums and rules (expected house edge). If I can dig it up again, I'll post the link.

good luck :joker:
 
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Blue Efficacy

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iwantblackjack said:
SugarHouse Casino is being constructed on 22-acre site at 1080 N Delaware Ave, near Frankford Ave and Shackamaxon St in Fishtown neighborhood of Philadelphia's waterfront. It's the same site where Jack Frost Sugar Refinery was. New 13-unit "green" condos at the Icehouse near Thompson St/ Columbia Ave, 530-1900 sqft, go for $159-$479k.

When PA eventually Expect rules to be aweful. They will probably follow the paths of West Virginia, Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, and the aweful places that do not follow normal BJ rules as written in books published in 2005. I would be very surprised and give them business if they have rules similar to AC and Vegas with normal BJ payout, a-6 dealer stands, doubling and splittings allowed, a-a gets 1 card, 6- & 8-decks,...late surrender after dealer checks (wouldbe nice), and, single-0 in roulette.
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Standard AC and LV rules have dealer standing on a-6? Have you been there lately? :eek:
 
kewljason

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iwantblackjack said:
SugarHouse Casino is being constructed on 22-acre site at 1080 N Delaware Ave, near Frankford Ave and Shackamaxon St in Fishtown neighborhood of Philadelphia's waterfront. It's the same site where Jack Frost Sugar Refinery was. New 13-unit "green" condos at the Icehouse near Thompson St/ Columbia Ave, 530-1900 sqft, go for $159-$479k.
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It is also the site of the 2003 somewhat infamous Fishtown murder in which a 16 year old girl lured her 16 year old boyfriend Jason Sweeney to the vacant site with the promise of sex. When he arrived, his 3 "best friends" brutally murderd him using a hatchet, a hammer and a brick. The motive: his $500 paycheck. Although the city has tried to improve the Fishtown neighborhood in recent years, It still borders Kensington, which is one of Philadelphia's most dangerous, crime infested neighborhoods.

http://www.northeasttimes.com/2005/0317/killers.html (Archive copy)
 
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Automatic Monkey

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iwantblackjack said:
SugarHouse Casino is being constructed on 22-acre site at 1080 N Delaware Ave, near Frankford Ave and Shackamaxon St in Fishtown neighborhood of Philadelphia's waterfront. It's the same site where Jack Frost Sugar Refinery was. New 13-unit "green" condos at the Icehouse near Thompson St/ Columbia Ave, 530-1900 sqft, go for $159-$479k.

When PA eventually Expect rules to be aweful. They will probably follow the paths of West Virginia, Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, and the aweful places that do not follow normal BJ rules as written in books published in 2005. I would be very surprised and give them business if they have rules similar to AC and Vegas with normal BJ payout, a-6 dealer stands, doubling and splittings allowed, a-a gets 1 card, 6- & 8-decks,...late surrender after dealer checks (wouldbe nice), and, single-0 in roulette.
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Wait a minute, you can't lump all those venues together. MI and MS have some excellent games.

I've better hopes for DE trying to compete for AC's remaining whales with better games, because they may have sports betting which will give them a reason to want whales.
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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Las Vegas style Sports Betting, if it comes to fruition, will "pack the joint"

The issue of the relationship between taxation levels and BJ game quality is fairly logical.

In the midwest, casino (gross) revenues are generally taxed at a very high rate - encouraging casinos to offer only "poor" BJ games in ill-advised efforts to maximize their profits.
 
peaegg

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Automatic Monkey said:
I've better hopes for DE trying to compete for AC's remaining whales with better games, because they may have sports betting which will give them a reason to want whales.
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Monkey, don't get your hope high. DE has worst Video Poker games that I have ever seen. No full pay 9/6, or 8/5 Jacks or better.
 
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BillytheBJkid

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kewljason said:
It is also the site of the 2003 somewhat infamous Fishtown murder in which a 16 year old girl lured her 16 year old boyfriend Jason Sweeney to the vacant site with the promise of sex. When he arrived, his 3 "best friends" brutally murderd him using a hatchet, a hammer and a brick. The motive: his $500 paycheck. Although the city has tried to improve the Fishtown neighborhood in recent years, It still borders Kensington, which is one of Philadelphia's most dangerous, crime infested neighborhoods.

http://www.northeasttimes.com/2005/0317/killers.html (Archive copy)
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mayby they needed that money for their bankroll. :laugh:
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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Historically, Delaware has been "business friendly"

My hunch is that they may not tax the three casinos

to the point where they can justify offering bad BJ games.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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FLASH1296 said:
Las Vegas style Sports Betting, if it comes to fruition, will "pack the joint"

The issue of the relationship between taxation levels and BJ game quality is fairly logical.

In the midwest, casino (gross) revenues are generally taxed at a very high rate - encouraging casinos to offer only "poor" BJ games in ill-advised efforts to maximize their profits.
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I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Who are we talking about with Las Vegas style sports betting? pa or delaware? I wasn't aware pa had even proposed such a thing and delaware can only do 3 team NFL game parlays.
 
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Blue Efficacy

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FLASH1296 said:
In the midwest, casino (gross) revenues are generally taxed at a very high rate - encouraging casinos to offer only "poor" BJ games in ill-advised efforts to maximize their profits.
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Hmm, I am from the Midwest, where the Indians pay no taxes and offer great games.
 
creeping panther

creeping panther

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Flash

FLASH1296 said:
Las Vegas style Sports Betting, if it comes to fruition, will "pack the joint"

The issue of the relationship between taxation levels and BJ game quality is fairly logical.

In the midwest, casino (gross) revenues are generally taxed at a very high rate - encouraging casinos to offer only "poor" BJ games in ill-advised efforts to maximize their profits.
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You are mistaken.

CP
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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FLASH1296 said:
Las Vegas style Sports Betting, if it comes to fruition, will "pack the joint"
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Unfortunately for those of us close to DE, a federal court limited sports betting to parlays...single game bets are out, making the DE sports betting scheme not a whole lot better than the guy at the Moose Lodge with the parlay cards. Kewljason, you are correct.

It could have been great. :(

good luck :joker:
 
kewljason

kewljason

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ChefJJ said:
Unfortunately for those of us close to DE, a federal court limited sports betting to parlays...single game bets are out, making the DE sports betting scheme not a whole lot better than the guy at the Moose Lodge with the parlay cards. Kewljason, you are correct.

It could have been great. :(

good luck :joker:
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Maybe the federal judge saved ya some money, ChefJJ. ;)
 
Automatic Monkey

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ChefJJ said:
Unfortunately for those of us close to DE, a federal court limited sports betting to parlays...single game bets are out, making the DE sports betting scheme not a whole lot better than the guy at the Moose Lodge with the parlay cards. Kewljason, you are correct.

It could have been great. :(

good luck :joker:
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You can combine parlay bets to make them equivalent to single game bets, but the vigs will probably make that prohibitive.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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Automatic Monkey said:
You can combine parlay bets to make them equivalent to single game bets, but the vigs will probably make that prohibitive.
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Was talking to a guy at the bar that kind of does that. He finds 4 teams that he likes, then bets 4 different 3 team parlay cards.

#1 team A,B,C #2 teams A,B,D #3 teams A,C,D #4 teams B,C,D

bets $100 per card. If all four teams win, all four parley cards win and he gets back $2600 for a profit of $2200. If 3 win and 1 loses he wins one card which returns $650 and loses the other 3 for a profit of $250. If two or more lose all his cards lose costing him $400.

seems a decent return for risk, but the problem is with 2 teams winning and 2 losing. Betting individually you would be even (less the vig) betting parlays he losses $400. :( As you can guess I have never tried this.
 
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