4 best systems for a shoe..

#1
Hello guys
I am new at blackjack’s world, and newer in this forum. I’ve been spending the last 30 hours on the internet in trying to find “the system” for me.. Where I live (somewhere in Argentina) there are a few casinos, and rules are not the best ones.. for example, 6 decks, double down only with 10, 11 or when your first card dealt is an Ace (is that usual?)..
I see here there is a lot of people that know a lot about it, and I would really thank you help me with this.. I know the most recommended system is Hi-lo, but I really want another thing..
So what I have found is that I would prefer a balanced count instead of and unbalanced one, because I heard (from here) it is more accurate.. and I would be comfortable with a level 2 and maybe 3 count too.. but no with side counts.. and as I have seen, for a SHOE game, I still cannot choose between:
- Mentor
- Wong Halves
- Revere point count
- Uston SS
(yes yes, I know the last one is not balanced, but still, it seems to be very effective)
Other things I can tell you is that I won’t spend a LOT of hours at the tables because of the distance but I plan to be an "green chipper" (with a large spread) if I ever get good at it..
Help me decide for one of them please.. (any kind of information would be appreciated)
And sorry people for my poor English..
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
#2
Kosiuker said:
Hello guys
I am new at blackjack’s world, and newer in this forum. I’ve been spending the last 30 hours on the internet in trying to find “the system” for me.. Where I live (somewhere in Argentina) there are a few casinos, and rules are not the best ones.. for example, 6 decks, double down only with 10, 11 or when your first card dealt is an Ace (is that usual?)..
I see here there is a lot of people that know a lot about it, and I would really thank you help me with this.. I know the most recommended system is Hi-lo, but I really want another thing..
So what I have found is that I would prefer a balanced count instead of and unbalanced one, because I heard (from here) it is more accurate.. and I would be comfortable with a level 2 and maybe 3 count too.. but no with side counts.. and as I have seen, for a SHOE game, I still cannot choose between:
- Mentor
- Wong Halves
- Revere point count
- Uston SS
(yes yes, I know the last one is not balanced, but still, it seems to be very effective)
Other things I can tell you is that I won’t spend a LOT of hours at the tables because of the distance but I plan to be an "green chipper" (with a large spread) if I ever get good at it..
Help me decide for one of them please.. (any kind of information would be appreciated)
And sorry people for my poor English..
Those are strange rules! I would actually guess that D10 with soft doubling (when an ace is the first card) is probably better for the counter than being allowed to double with 9-11 only.

Anyways, I honestly can't recommend any of those systems for shoes. I believe those systems are mostly designed for single deck play, and are much too complicated for shoe games. I would recommend you investigate:

1. Hi-lo
2. Red Seven
3. KO
4. Zen

I'm also worried that you may not be able to make a lot of money with those sort of rules. Restricted doubling is quite bad for the counter, especially when you are already playing a 6 deck game.
 
#3
Thanx Moo321! i am worried about that too :s..
I meant that if you are dealt an Ace, you can double down before you are dealt the second card
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#5
Kosiuker said:
Thanx Moo321! i am worried about that too :s..
I meant that if you are dealt an Ace, you can double down before you are dealt the second card
I may be mistaken, but this sounds like a very fine rule.

Assuming blackjack pays 3:2. So does this mean you are stuck with only two cards? Still, about 4/13 of the time you get double the blackjack bonus. Sounds like a winner to me. Can you see the dealer's upcard before you double down on the ace?
 
#6
Kosiuker said:
Hello guys
I am new at blackjack’s world, and newer in this forum. I’ve been spending the last 30 hours on the internet in trying to find “the system” for me.. Where I live (somewhere in Argentina) there are a few casinos, and rules are not the best ones.. for example, 6 decks, double down only with 10, 11 or when your first card dealt is an Ace (is that usual?)..
I see here there is a lot of people that know a lot about it, and I would really thank you help me with this.. I know the most recommended system is Hi-lo, but I really want another thing..
So what I have found is that I would prefer a balanced count instead of and unbalanced one, because I heard (from here) it is more accurate.. and I would be comfortable with a level 2 and maybe 3 count too.. but no with side counts.. and as I have seen, for a SHOE game, I still cannot choose between:
- Mentor
- Wong Halves
- Revere point count
- Uston SS
(yes yes, I know the last one is not balanced, but still, it seems to be very effective)
Other things I can tell you is that I won’t spend a LOT of hours at the tables because of the distance but I plan to be an "green chipper" (with a large spread) if I ever get good at it..
Help me decide for one of them please.. (any kind of information would be appreciated)
And sorry people for my poor English..
Mentor
RPC
BRH-1, true counted.
High-Low
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#8
H Bomb said:
Minus the times you push with 21.
That is covered under "about."

Since the dealer only gets blackjack approximately 1 in 21 hands, and half of those times you are given the option for "even money" that definitely isn't a huge deal.

Although, it is worth asking if you lose it all when the dealer gets a blackjack, or if you just lose the original bet.
 

iCountNTrack

Well-Known Member
#9
Kosiuker said:
Hello guys
I am new at blackjack’s world, and newer in this forum. I’ve been spending the last 30 hours on the internet in trying to find “the system” for me.. Where I live (somewhere in Argentina) there are a few casinos, and rules are not the best ones.. for example, 6 decks, double down only with 10, 11 or when your first card dealt is an Ace (is that usual?)..
I see here there is a lot of people that know a lot about it, and I would really thank you help me with this.. I know the most recommended system is Hi-lo, but I really want another thing..
So what I have found is that I would prefer a balanced count instead of and unbalanced one, because I heard (from here) it is more accurate.. and I would be comfortable with a level 2 and maybe 3 count too.. but no with side counts.. and as I have seen, for a SHOE game, I still cannot choose between:
- Mentor
- Wong Halves
- Revere point count
- Uston SS
(yes yes, I know the last one is not balanced, but still, it seems to be very effective)
Other things I can tell you is that I won’t spend a LOT of hours at the tables because of the distance but I plan to be an "green chipper" (with a large spread) if I ever get good at it..
Help me decide for one of them please.. (any kind of information would be appreciated)
And sorry people for my poor English..
Doubling down when your first card is an Ace (before receiving your second card) and 3:2 BJ payout!!!!!
If that is really the case
a) You should give the casino commissioner a long big hug
b) I am moving to Argentina :)

But to answer your question about the best Level II systems without an Ace side count, it is Zen followed very closely by Revere Point Count.
 

H Bomb

Active Member
#10
Blue Efficacy said:
That is covered under "about."

Since the dealer only gets blackjack approximately 1 in 21 hands, and half of those times you are given the option for "even money" that definitely isn't a huge deal.
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. I meant, if you double down on ace and get a 10, that's 21 not BJ. If the dealer has BJ you lose (we're not sure all or OBO). And if the dealer has, for example, 6-7-8, you push.
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#13
H Bomb said:
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. I meant, if you double down on ace and get a 10, that's 21 not BJ. If the dealer has BJ you lose (we're not sure all or OBO). And if the dealer has, for example, 6-7-8, you push.
So in these Argentinian casinos if you get a two card 21, it isn't considered blackjack if it is achieved with a double down?

Do you know this for sure, H Bomb, or is this merely speculation?
 

daniel27

Well-Known Member
#15
Double

Blue Efficacy said:
So in these Argentinian casinos if you get a two card 21, it isn't considered blackjack if it is achieved with a double down?

Do you know this for sure, H Bomb, or is this merely speculation?
He means D on any Soft hand.
 

H Bomb

Active Member
#17
Kosiuker said:
Where I live (somewhere in Argentina) there are a few casinos, and rules are not the best ones.. for example, 6 decks, double down only with 10, 11 or when your first card dealt is an Ace (is that usual?)
Blue Efficacy said:
So in these Argentinian casinos if you get a two card 21, it isn't considered blackjack if it is achieved with a double down?

Do you know this for sure, H Bomb, or is this merely speculation?
I don't know for sure but based on the way Kosiuker phrased it that's how I interpreted it.

Kosiuker, can you clarify?
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#19
H Bomb said:
I don't know for sure but based on the way Kosiuker phrased it that's how I interpreted it.

Kosiuker, can you clarify?
He did clarify. He said clearly if you get an ace, you may double down before receiving a second card. He did not specifically say that if you got a 10 it would merely be a 21, so I am working under the assumption that it would indeed be a Blackjack.
 

bjcount

Well-Known Member
#20
FLASH1296 said:
  • 1. ZEN
  • 2. Ben Franklin
  • 3. R.P.C.
  • 4. Hi Lo
Are you kidding? 1 & 3 are so close in shoe games that if you make just 1 mistake using ZEN per 20 hrs play time they'd be dead even.

Not taking anything away from AM but BF is a simplified & rounded version using RPC tags, it doesn't come close to 1 & 3 when properly played.

Flash you really need to invest in cvdata and find out for yourself.

BJC
 
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