Further online research that shows Bodog cheats

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garygo

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I've just done a little research online for reviews about Bodog Blackjack, and following are some of the results. If you are interested you can dig deeper into this query. I don't think it is a coincidence that so many people have complained.

1) "I used Bodog Sportsbook and I have won big and payouts arrive within a decent amount of time. My problem -BLACKJACK! I have lost over $5000 in 3 months on their Blackjack game. I went to Tunica and Vegas, and even a riverboat in St. Louis.....played the same style won each time. I played 2 hours in Vegas and won $2200. But I kept playing Bodog Blackjack. At first I thought it was just bad luck. Then I started recording the games. I would win 7 $1-$5 bets and then place 3 to 4 $25 and lose every time. I would have 20s, dealer would be showing a 6 and hit Blackjack. I once put down a $500 bet, dealer got Blackjack. I'm not saying that it’s impossible for the dealer to get 21 on a $500 bet, but come on. Never double down. You will lose 85% of the time. The game play is streaky, but it is always in Bodog’s favor. You can win small bets all day long. Try betting 4 $100 hands or a few $50 bets and you will lose over 70% of the time. I called and complained and they sent me to their computer gurus and they explained to me about the RNG or whatever the hell it is that they use. They sent me the records for my game play for the past 60 days. It took me calling and emailing them 4 or 5 times, but they finally sent it over via email. I am currently going over the stats. With just the little I have evaluated, I can already see a large amount of skewed results. I have only won 43% of all my hands in the past 3 months. I know I win at least 50% (if not much higher) at the real casinos on Blackjack. The dealer has beaten me on 58% of all my hands where I am showing 17 or greater. I have only won 39% of all of my bets greater than $100. It’s my fault for losing $5000 because I kept playing expecting REAL results. These guys are cheating. Someone has developed some nice software and it is making Bodog lots of money. Is it so far fetched that someone can write software that only dishes out Tens, Paints, and Aces to the dealer when a player puts out a bet of $100 or more? I would say it’s not only possible, it’s happening!"

2) "Do not play Bodog casino games. Trust me - I have taken enough losses for all of us. Much like all the other people in here I have had horrible horrible time with Blackjack at Bodog. I am sure that over the last year the dealer has had 10 blackjacks for every one of mine - and that is over probably 7000 hands. Insane number of 21's from 15 and 16 for the dealer. Insane runs of 20's for dealer. I played for 5 years at The Sands Online and they were great...so I know how it should be and Bodog is not right. Just take that bit of advice...they are not right and something is extremely fishy at Bodog casino."

3) "Don't play anything in the BoDog Casino. Especially BLACKJACK. You'll have a 20 and the house will turn a 6 into a 21 everytime. Never double on an 11 because you will seldomly if ever get a 10. IT'S RAPE. They are blatant about it too. If I were in a real casino and saw this **** happen, I would turn the table over and punch the dealer. Please don't fall prey to these guys."

4) "The NBA moneylines usually come out at about 4-5PM which is unacceptable. Should be out by noon at the latest. Casino is rigged beyond believe. Everytime the dealer has a 5 or 6 in blackjack they always have 5 or 6 to give them 11 and then a face card gets dealt to them. I counted how many times that happened in a row and it was 9, unbelievable."

5) "i have been a long time player and was a big fan of there's until i realized that a company willing to lose a customer over the casino and its program is not the place for me. i was the biggest fan of the service given by there managers reps and players service reps. but i also can not deal with being cheated out of 3400 dollars on a flash blackjack software designed to wipe you out with an overwhelming house advantage"

6) "Like others before me in these reviews, I have been ripped off by BODOG's blackjack games. How can these people get away with stealing money ! Won't play again, have learned a very important lesson. Don't play online casino gaming games with Sportsbooks. Dealer - 11 blackjacks in a row."

7) "DO, NOT, I Repeat DO NOT play in BODOG''s Casino, For that matter do not play in any online Casino''s. Held on 17, dealer got 5 straight aces to win at 18. Yea right, that''s possible. My account is now closed and I will never go back to BODGOG, I suggest you never think about going there."

8) "This is by far the best online Sportsbook/Casino on the Internet. One word of caution, stay away from their BLACKJACK game, not even close to being fair. That''s my only complaint about BODOG, Other than that this is a top rate organization and are very fair and respectable. It''s really the only Sportsbook/Casino you need to sign up with."

9) "I have had a Bodog (Bodoglife) account for some time. Has anyone ever played their casino games and felt that the are TOTALLY cheating like I do?

Inordinate amount of 20s, 5 times the Black Jacks you get, they make 21 when you have 20 constantly and the worst... they almost always make their 4, 5s and 6s!

Drives me crazy so I quit because I believe they cheat!

Maybe I'll play $100, record it and post it on Youtube.

Bodog is almost totally opposite real casino BJ. Try the "play for fun" for a while and eventually you will even see it there!"


10) "I'm surprised after playing Blackjack on Bodog for the past six months, that I don't see more complaints about the randomness or lack there of with their Blackjack game. The last time I played (about two weeks ago) I won 3 of the last 30 hands. If this was a rare occurence, I could accept that, but it was every night that the dealer seemed to go on these rediculous winning streaks, winning 10+ hands on a regular basis. I see a lot of patterns like the dealer wins let's say eight in a row, then I win one, and the dealer wins at least the next hand, usually at least three. Happens all the time. It seems obvious to me that the game is rigged. I know this is the biggest online casino in the world, and it doesn't make any sense that they would cheat their customers, but when I asked for recent testing info I discovered there has been no testing since 2005!, they don't post payout percentages on their site, RTG is no help at all!, and all of the casinos are rogued according to Voltran2007 affiliated with Kahnawake Gaming Commission accept Bodog. I'm just wondering if anyone else has had these types of issues with Bodog. I had a similar experience playing Blackjack on PartyPokers website until they quit doing business in the US. Should I just give up on online Blackjack anywhere?"

11) "I have been working for RTG casinos for over 6 years now .. im a Blackjack player and Tri Card Poker... WHAT many of you dont know is that indeed there are ways that are just a click away from me to change the advantage of the house , this happens more often in low bonus % casinos that offer 24 hour payouts.

Havent you noticed its easier to beat for example purposes the Shark than Bodog ??

Everytime you wanna open up a casino you meet up with the RTG guys and you set out a plan Big bonus casino = 7 business days cashout low bonus casino = 24 to 48 hours and I dont wanna sound over the top but im one hell of a Blackplayer I know the " charts " by heart and my studies on the software help and I deposited $500 at bodog not to long ago and it lasted me about 15 minutes playing $2 to $25 BJ it was not good I have no problem with losing but I like to get a little plays worth ... now I deposited $500 XX casino that I wont name since Im having issues with them and in 20 minutes I made a nice profit on BJ but since their a high bonus casino they are gonna try and stick it to me every way possible lol"


12) "I go along for a liitle while, everything is fine, nothing unusual. I win I lose, nothing crazy. I increase the wager to $25, $50, or whatever and the dealer wins 27 out of 30 hands. It is obvious to me after many many sessions that Bodog is identifying with the amount of the wager and the aggression of the player and is winning/losing accordingly. After all, they can't win every hand, but they certainly win more than their fair share, when the player becomes more aggressive.

For the rest... Streaky is one thing, I'm talking about absurdity. I have dozens of records from Bodog BJ sessions 100's of thousands of hands, and welcome anyone to look at them and give me their opinion. There are so many, I don't know what would be the best way to make them available, but I will. e-mail would be easiest for me.

I understand bad luck, and I understand steaky cards, but I also understand that in the past 20 years of playing land based casinos I would bet that I haven't lost 10 hands in a row more than 5 times. I know I play a lot more hands in a shorter period of time online, but to see the dealer win this many in a row nightly, sometimes more than once a night is unfathonable to me."


13) "My last 50 hands:

L,P,L,L,L,L,W,W,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,W,L,L, P,L,P,P,L,W,L,W,W,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,W,L,W,L,L,W,W,W

I know I'm going to hear that 50 hands are not nearly enough to judge, and I agree. The sad thing is that this is not an unusual chain of events. This streak began when I increased my wager from $1 to $25. This has become quite predictable. I know to just try to sneak in a larger bet here and there rather than try to keep the wager increased, because the house is guaranteed to streak and suck the money out of me in record time.

Let me clarify one thing; I'm not a disgruntled player who has lost a boat load of money. Actually, when I first started playing on Bodog, I cashed out 25K in a one week period, all from Blackjack, and $1000 deposit. I consider myself a skilled, disciplined player, but by no means do I claim to be an expert or professional. Since that early cash-out, I've seen a dramatic change in the way the cards are falling. I don't mean because I'm losing, I'm referring to patterns that were not there before. The pattern where I lose 10 hands in a row, win one, and the dealer wins the next hand. It's money that this is going to happen. The one where the dealer consistently wins multiple hands in a row and the player gets his wins in a mixed fashion one here, two there, etc. I've noticed an undeniable delay in the turn cards that wasn't there before.

Isn't it possible that something that could so easily be manipulated, is? I have a feeling that when Bodog identified me as someone who mixes up the bet, and plays for profit (yes I play for profit, I don't get entertainment out of pissing away $$, if I want to do that I'll go to a strip club), then that perverbial switch was flipped. Someone started paying attention."


14) "When I asked Bodog for the 1000th time about any recent tests done on their software to assure fairness, they finally admitted that there had not been any testing since 2005! When I asked how that could be possible, they disabled my account. Probably did me a favor, but it seemed like customer service was great until I started asking questions.
Is this a lawless industry or what? In a multi-billion dollar industry that hinges on software that could easily be manipulated by people and/or computers located overseas; is there no protection for the player? Am I helpless because I'm in the US? Do these cheaters answer to noone?"

15) "All of this manipulation by online casinos indicates to me that there are actually SOME players who are consistently winning at a negative expectation game and that can only be if the casino's RNG isn't really all that random. Whether it's Cipher's software or not, I don't know but the Bodog casino is the only casino promoted by Cipher. When I examine Cipher's Bodog sessions, I'm like "Maaan, why don't I get those win/loss outcomes like he does?" Are they going easy on him at the expense of those who sign up with Bodog because of him? I don't know but he rarely gets the loooong losing streaks that I get with Bodog."

And more...
 
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shadroch

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Complainer #1 states he won 43% of his bets. Thats almost exactly what an average BJ player should win. Then he goes on to claim he wins at least 50% of his hands in a real casino. Next he complains that he wins only 42% of his hands at 17 or higher, as if 17 is a good hand. He also states the dealer turned a BJ while showing a six.
 

garygo

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shadroch said:
Complainer #1 states he won 43% of his bets. Thats almost exactly what an average BJ player should win. Then he goes on to claim he wins at least 50% of his hands in a real casino. Next he complains that he wins only 42% of his hands at 17 or higher, as if 17 is a good hand. He also states the dealer turned a BJ while showing a six.
It is possible typos or mistakes occur in writing online. It is not dissertation and some people are typing fast without checking too much.

But this does not alter the fact that many players did have the same expericence (incl me) and complain.

Do not rush into a judgment before you carefully go through everything. Be patient. ;)
 

Kasi

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shadroch said:
Complainer #1 states he won 43% of his bets. Thats almost exactly what an average BJ player should win. Then he goes on to claim he wins at least 50% of his hands in a real casino. Next he complains that he wins only 42% of his hands at 17 or higher, as if 17 is a good hand. He also states the dealer turned a BJ while showing a six.
Amen, bro.

Post a totality of logs with some hypothesis rather than this "I played 50 rounds but won't even say how many units I lost in those 50 rds" crap.

God I'm trying to figure out what more piss*s me off than pathetic third-party once-removed anecdotal whining of "cheat" with nothing more than the flimsiest of unsubstantiated results to begin with.

Don't mean you, rock - whoever the OP was.
 

garygo

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moo321 said:
None of this is conclusive at all, just losers complaining.
But can you tell me why there are not so many "losers" complaining about online BJ like Bet365 and some others?

Does it just happen to be so?

There must be a reason, right?

I recommend you spend some time playing at Bet365 or other highly reputed BJ sites and Bodog, before you make a conclusion.
 
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sabre

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garygo said:
But can you tell me why there are not so many "losers" complaining about online BJ like Bet365 and some others?

Does it just happen to be so?

There must be a reason, right?

I recommend you spend some time playing at Bet365 or other highly reputed BJ sites and Bodog, before you make a conclusion.
Because fewer people play at Bet365??????????????????????????????????????!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!??!?!!?

God ... why do people spend so much time debating whether -EV online game #1 is actually as -EV as the rules state, or more -EV due to cheating. It's -EV.

Kill me ...
 

garygo

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sabre said:
Because fewer people play at Bet365??????????????????????????????????????!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!??!?!!?

God ... why do people spend so much time debating whether -EV online game #1 is actually as -EV as the rules state, or more -EV due to cheating. It's -EV.

Kill me ...
Sabre -

1) You reckon fewer people play at Bet365? What a joke. :laugh:

2) Your second question is killing me. Of course it makes a difference - lose more & quicker VS lose less & slower with occasional chances to win depending on your luck & strategy (that is what people are looking for - a fair game).

If you play an online game that cheats, you will be much easier and faster to have nothing to lose - coz you've lost everything. :)

If you don't play online casinos at all (because of higher HE), why do you bother to be here to comment? :rolleyes:
 

garygo

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I just played Bodog BJ again. It convinced me that Bodog must be cheating. The same pattern we discussed about happened once again to me - blatantly.

Here is a full list of Bodog BJ Pattern:

1) When you have two picture cards, the dealer will have the same most of the time.

2) When you have 12 against dealer's 2 or 3, you hit and will get a 10 to bust most of the time.

3) When dealer has 4-6, he will not bust and eventually make a hand to beat you most of the time.

4) When you have a 10 or 11 and double down, you will not get a picture card and eventually lose most of the time (doubling is surely a very risky and scary thing to do with Bodog)

5) Ridiculously long losing streak (let me say it again: ridiculously long!) with very bad hands (14-16) against dealer's picture card for a long session.

6) After you get a few Blackjack in a row, the dealer is almost sure to get a few Blackjack in a row to get even.

7) When you bet big, you lose quickly down to zero. Almost no hope to recover your loss.

And more if you explore.

Now I have no doubt that Bodog Blackjack has been manipulated. I will never understand those who still believe their cards are dealt randomly based on the fact that the above mentioned "Bodog Pattern" is so robust.

After so many hands, every time I have the same feeling: Bodog BJ is very very unreal and unnatural. They can cheat me, but I am not going to cheat myself.

So this is my contribution to the online gambling section of this forum. Yes you've guessed it - I am going to withdraw from Bodog and never play there again.

I think it is necessary for the administrator of this forum as well as the one who recommends Bodog to its users to review Bodog again. No kidding.
 
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sabre

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garygo said:
I am going to withdraw from Bodog and never play there again.
Do yourself a favor and withdraw from every online site and never gamble again. If not, you're going to come up with anecdotal evidence not having any statistical basis whatsoever for some other online site and label it as "proof" that the site is cheating.

-EV is -EV. The fact that you can't assign the blame for your losses on that simple fact is pathetic. Own up to the fact that you are responsible for your gambling losses, and resolve to stop gambling.
 

sabre

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garygo said:
1) You reckon fewer people play at Bet365? What a joke. :laugh:
Sorry, please educate us as to the number of active users at Bet365 vs the number of active users of Bodog. Please cite a reference as to your source.

garygo said:
2) Your second question is killing me. Of course it makes a difference - lose more & quicker VS lose less & slower with occasional chances to win depending on your luck & strategy (that is what people are looking for - a fair game).

If you play an online game that cheats, you will be much easier and faster to have nothing to lose - coz you've lost everything. :)
No, you aren't looking for a fair game. You're looking for a game where you win everytime. If you don't, then it must be because they're cheating. Not because you experienced a normal outcome well within the bounds of normal standard deviation.

garygo said:
If you don't play online casinos at all (because of higher HE), why do you bother to be here to comment? :rolleyes:
Because I don't like fools spreading misinformation. Your insistence that the game is cheating despite providing anything even remotely close to resembling statistical evidence is irresponsible. Neophyte gamblers will look at your asinine post and conclude that this phantom "cheating" must be the real culprit behind their own gambling losses. They will then chase those losses at other sites, each time blaming their failure on cheating, rather than facing the reality that playing -EV games is going to lead to losing money in the long run.

Think more, read more, understand more, post less.
 

garygo

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sabre said:
Do yourself a favor and withdraw from every online site and never gamble again. If not, you're going to come up with anecdotal evidence not having any statistical basis whatsoever for some other online site and label it as "proof" that the site is cheating.

-EV is -EV. The fact that you can't assign the blame for your losses on that simple fact is pathetic. Own up to the fact that you are responsible for your gambling losses, and resolve to stop gambling.
Sabre

First of all, I have no doubt you are a loser based on your poor IQ.

1) You dont seem to know how to use the approriate language for communication. But I don't blame you on that - not everyone in this world receives formal education.

2) Yes there are surely many rogue online casinos out there - a fact that does not need to be discussed. Bodog happens to be one of them (at least on BJ games). However, not all online casinos cheat, for example, I never complained about Bet365 if your aging memory can help you recall.

So your point is simply a waste.

3) As for -EV: I don't know how many times I need to teach you this (check my explanation above again kid). Ok let me repeat it here: HE is one thing, but cheating is another. People know the HE but just want a fair game. That is a huge difference.

If you don't play any online BJ due to the HE, then why do you bother to comment here?

Time to go back to school and get some more education, kid. ;)
 
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shadroch

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IF you KNOW that Bodog is cheating you, why do you continue to play it?
Doing something repeatedly but expecting the results to differ is a sign of insanity.
Playing a negative expectation game and expecting positive results is a sign of insanity.
Accusing someone of cheating when you get the expected results is a sign of paranoia, which is yet another sign of insanity.
Notice a trend?
 

garygo

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sabre said:
Sorry, please educate us as to the number of active users at Bet365 vs the number of active users of Bodog. Please cite a reference as to your source.
Before that please cite a reference to support your claim, as you make that claim first. Whoever claims should cite first.

And just to improve your IQ a tad: even if there are fewer people playing Bet365 as a whole, it doesn't mean fewer people play Bet365 BJ than Bodog BJ. And even if there are fewer people playing Bet365 BJ, as Bet365 BJ is very popular (even recommended on this site), it does make sense the complaints about Bet365 are far less than Bodog.

sabre said:
No, you aren't looking for a fair game. You're looking for a game where you win everytime. If you don't, then it must be because they're cheating. Not because you experienced a normal outcome well within the bounds of normal standard deviation.
This convinced me about your low intelligence. If your aging memory can help you recall, I never said "I want to win EVERYTIME". All I said is Bodog BJ is simply ripping people off - ridiculously fast and the game is very unreal. I even cited many other players' reviews about the game.

All these show it is not a normal outcome and the deviation is far from standard (but I am not confident a person with a low IQ like yours will ever get it).

sabre said:
They will then chase those losses at other sites, each time blaming their failure on cheating, rather than facing the reality that playing -EV games is going to lead to losing money in the long run.
Actually not everyone is as unintelligent as you, so you really should not worry about anyone chase loss because of what I said here.

Yes just as everyone will lose money in the long run - in the long run everybody will die in this physical world, just we do not want to die that early. By this I refer to the experience with Bodog, if you know what I mean.

Last but not least, are you another Bodog representative here? If so, GFY (good for you)! :cool:
 

sabre

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I hate it when I fall for trolling. I need to get better at this internets thing. GG Gary. You probably could have strung me along for a couple more posts, but you got greedy in your last two.
 

garygo

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shadroch said:
IF you KNOW that Bodog is cheating you, why do you continue to play it?
Doing something repeatedly but expecting the results to differ is a sign of insanity.
Playing a negative expectation game and expecting positive results is a sign of insanity.
Accusing someone of cheating when you get the expected results is a sign of paranoia, which is yet another sign of insanity.
Notice a trend?
shadroch - your questions are very easy to answer.

1) Before you play long enough, how can you judge a game is cheating or not? I've said this is time for me to withdraw. Are you indicating you are a prophet who knows which game is fair without playing it for a while? :)

2) Expected results? Like I said, everyone, you and me, will die in the long run, just like we lose in the long run against a higher House Edge. The difference is: no one want to die early because of diseases, murder and so on - the best form of death is natural death.

Now you know my point: Bodog is simply murdering people with its extremely unnatural cards.

Is it also a sign of insanity to criticize someone without basic comprehension, especially when someone finds a cheating game through his own experience, while you've done nothing but playing on words?

Accusing someone of insane while you yourself shows a sign of insanity, it is not only a sign of insanity, but also a sign of immorality.

Notice a philosophy? :eyepatch:
 

garygo

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sabre said:
I hate it when I fall for trolling. I need to get better at this internets thing. GG Gary. You probably could have strung me along for a couple more posts, but you got greedy in your last two.
If I am a troll and you fall victim, then you are what I call unintelligent.

If I am not a troll but you said I am, then you are what I call unintelligent again.

So either way, you prove yourself an unintelligent person.

Besides, based on your bad language to another member and myself on both of my posts, your issue is even more serious than trolling.

It is you who first insulted people. I think this offence should be considered first by a webmaster. What do you say? :)
 

Sonny

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Okay, this has gone on for long enough. This discussion broke down a lot faster than I expected. If anyone has any legitimate complaints they can continue the other thread on this topic. Illegitimate or unsubstantiated complaints will be handled accordingly. This thread is closed.

-Sonny-
 
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