how many have been backroomed/caught?

Have you seen the room... in the back?...kicked out?

  • never bothered me

    Votes: 21 58.3%
  • gotten a warning

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • Backroomed/caught/kicked out

    Votes: 10 27.8%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .

callipygian

Well-Known Member
#7
I think I got backed off once, but it was so gentle that I'm still not 100% sure what it was. A pit boss approached me and offered me an unsolicited comp for the buffet. He said something along the lines of, "You've been playing for a while, why don't you try the buffet on us? Just sign up for a player's card ..."

I just agreed that I had been playing too long, cashed out immediately, and then scurried away with my tail between my legs, crying, paranoid that a SWAT team was now tracking my every move.

(Okay, I wasn't crying.)
 

ohbehave

Well-Known Member
#8
3 backoffs. I went back to the one that was the most nasty a few days ago on a different shift. Played 4 double-deck shuffles and took them for a quick $150. Not much money but it felt good to stick it to 'em anyway.
 
#9
There's a hell of a lot of difference between being backed off and backroomed. Backoffs are routine, but a backrooming is very dangerous, thankfully rare, and will likely require the services of a lawyer afterward.

Security departments hire a lot of unstable and criminal people so if you are ever faced with being dragged into a private area by them, consider it as serious as a mugging or a kidnapping and I recommend not cooperating. You are better off taking your chances with the cops when they come to arrest you.

Keep in mind that getting 'cuffed & roughed' by casino security guards is a potentially very high EV play.
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
#11
Automatic Monkey said:
There's a hell of a lot of difference between being backed off and backroomed. Backoffs are routine, but a backrooming is very dangerous, thankfully rare, and will likely require the services of a lawyer afterward.

Security departments hire a lot of unstable and criminal people so if you are ever faced with being dragged into a private area by them, consider it as serious as a mugging or a kidnapping and I recommend not cooperating. You are better off taking your chances with the cops when they come to arrest you.

Keep in mind that getting 'cuffed & roughed' by casino security guards is a potentially very high EV play.
I know a guy that got 6 figures from the Venetian because of their hack security guards.
 
#13
sorry i left out the option for the 86'd group.

And thank you for making it private :)

i had the impression that a lot of counters get caught, but it seems like it's not as common as i thought it'd be.
 

daddybo

Well-Known Member
#14
They know more than you think

Just because they know you are counting doesn't mean they will do anything. They usually only take action against players they deem a threat. :flame:
 
#15
moo321 said:
I know a guy that got 6 figures from the Venetian because of their hack security guards.
Oh, sure. It can be a great thing, financially. What you have to worry about is getting framed up for something.

As far as backrooming mere AP's go, any competent legal department is going to tell the security people "Don't do it." It is in no way worth it to the bottom line of the casino to get physical with a legal advantage player. So if somebody goes ahead and does it anyway, there's a good chance you're dealing with someone who has a screw loose and is living in an imaginary world, or is planning to rob you or commit some other crime back there, and whatever it is, you're going to be better off if you never make it to that back room and out of view of the cameras before the police show up.
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
#16
Not an easy pay day

Finn Dog said:
Just wondering they did to him for six figs of EV?
There are enough stories out there about a backrooming turning into a bad arrest by police who are working too closely with casino security, to convice most of us that it is much better to avoid this kind of situation if you can.

You land up hiring perhaps first a criminal lawyer to get the charges dismissed and then a civil lawyer to sue, that is if everything works out. You put your faith in a judge who may be casino friendly and a jury which in places like Nevada might think that an advantage player is costing them money by hurting the casino biz which supports their state. And in the worst case senerio you are convicted of a false cheating charge and in jail.

The expenses can mount up and even if you win a civil suit, you might not get paid. A decent settlement might be the way to go. Has Grosjean seen any money from Griffin? He may have but it is just as likely to me that he has not and perhaps never will.

To me, getting into this situation is something I have thought about and do fear. If I were arrested for some cheating charge I would not consider it an advantage play with a possible big payday because thre is too much at risk, but if forced upon me I would fight for that payday and justice
ihate17
 

jimbiggs

Well-Known Member
#18
I've been invited to a backroom before, but declined the invitation. So they gave me the backoff on the floor and had a security guard escort me out.
 
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