Funny when there's another counter at the same table

21forme

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#1
I sat down at a table, then when the count turned positive, I noticed a guy 3 seats down doing pretty much the same thing as me with his bets. One hand he had a 12 vs dealer 2 and stood. I was tempted to say something, but refrained. It was hard to keep a straight face.
 

EasyRhino

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#2
Yeah, on one of my really early counting trips, there was a super-talkative guy right next to me betting fairly large for a $10 table ($25-$100). I mean, he just wouldn't shut up. And of course, I'm barely past the lips-moving level, so he's really distracting me.

Then, when the count got good, he says "hey guys, mind if I play two hands to change the flow of the cards?". I totally wanted to call shenanigans on him.
 

avs21

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#4
EasyRhino said:
Yeah, on one of my really early counting trips, there was a super-talkative guy right next to me betting fairly large for a $10 table ($25-$100). I mean, he just wouldn't shut up. And of course, I'm barely past the lips-moving level, so he's really distracting me.

Then, when the count got good, he says "hey guys, mind if I play two hands to change the flow of the cards?". I totally wanted to call shenanigans on him.
Sounds like me except for the $25min bet. I’ve had a couple people get mad at me for talking too much. One guy starting to complain I messed up his concentration ,because I was talking too much. He eventually stormed off giving me the evil eye rest of the night when he looked at me.:joker:
 

dacium

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#6
I found a quite table with a shoe in Australia once (which is really rare) and to my surprise this guy was spreading like me on minimum bet to eat up bad cards and then we both pilled up on the good counts. Unfortuently for him he dropped about $3,000 mainly just through plain bad luck. I ended up about 20 units up.
 
#8
I had my first experience with another counter at my table during a recent session. He was a youngish guy who barrelled up to the table when the count got big, threw a benjamin at the dealer and loudly insisted on getting 'nothing but twenty five dollar chips!'. They shuffled up on the both of us and he dissappeared without playing a hand. It's always good to know that you've got a smoother act than the competition. :laugh:
 

rollem411

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#9
I dug this old thread up because after my session today, I am absolutely positive there was another guy counting at my table. I was playing heads up at a low min table and playing 2 hands trying to eat some cards.

I see a guy out of the corner of my eye watching me play so I move to 3 hands because the count starts to rise and I wanted to try to make him feel uncomfortable about sitting...and what a lost cause that was because little did i know he was backcounting.

He sits down and I choose to go back to 2 hands. It was very funny because we were both ramping our bets up and down at the same time and made all the same plays. Now I was skeptical but 90% sure he was counting, but there was one thing that gave it away and I wondered to myself if I am this obvious also.

The count was at a decent TC, and the dealer pulls an A to whatever we had, I can't remember. Dealer calls for insurance, and I say no. The guy looks STRAIGHT AT THE DISCARD PILE FOR A TC CALCULATION AND DENIES.

Later on an incident happened where it was towards the end of the shoe and I had lost the count. I dropped to my min bet and see that he still has a decent bet out. Dealer pulls an A and asks for insurance. The other counter takes insurance and me, having confidence in his skills, insures my min bet and dealer pulls the BJ.

I was tempted to say something to him afterwards, but when I saw him later at breakfast we chatted for a min. knowing what each other was doing, but obviously neither had admitted.
 
#10
It is always funny i sat down at a 15 min table and a nice guy next to me was betting 15-25 fluctuation just looking like a normal player. As the count rises he began ramping his bets and eventually hit 350 max bet. He had a good act and was joking with me the whole time constantly talking and screwing me up! (im only 20 and am also just getting past talking and playing) Everything went well for a while until we both started noticing a larga ammount of heat at our table. Fortunatley for me all the focus was on him but he promptly made one last max bet colored up and left the table up a veryt good ammount.

I continued playing for a little and eventually wonged out. As i start looking for another table i realize he was doing some cover play (poor as it may have been) at the roulette wheel in the same pit he was getting heat. He talked to me for a bit asking how i was doing and knew exactly what i was up to.
My cover must be poor because he ignored everyone at the table but a couple min after playing he started joking with me and being a little to friendly for a normal ploppie.
 
#11
now that i remember there is a kid i frequently see at the same casino. About 20 years old always dressed in the same cheap suit and a gang of groupies behind him. This guy is NOT a counter but despratley tries to be. Sits and orders his club soda with lime and then procedes to count backwards! Every session he ramps his bets when at a disadvantage and bets the min or wongs out at a high count! the guy always leaves pissed and always whispers to his friends wondering why he cant win "i do everything right it should be working just fine, im just unlucky"
 
#12
This week there was a kid whos table i wonged into. He was like a robot he went right by the book spreading and upping his bets no matter what, going from 10 or 15 bucks to 2 hands of 75 in one hand. I was loveing it my girlfriend counts also and we were haveing a blast watching him. He was nervous as hell never moved or said a word didnt look around nothing. It was like someone created a cyborg to sit at a table and count nothing else. But he was doing ok when i was at the table i dont know what e started with or anything but he won well i was there. The only thing he was off on were his indices, but he could have just not known them yet or done them at a different count then i do them. If your out there my cyborg buddy from the trop, keep at it.
 

Thunder

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#13
standard toaster said:
now that i remember there is a kid i frequently see at the same casino. About 20 years old always dressed in the same cheap suit and a gang of groupies behind him. This guy is NOT a counter but despratley tries to be. Sits and orders his club soda with lime and then procedes to count backwards! Every session he ramps his bets when at a disadvantage and bets the min or wongs out at a high count! the guy always leaves pissed and always whispers to his friends wondering why he cant win "i do everything right it should be working just fine, im just unlucky"
Lol, that's your typical ploppie! I cringe when Is ee ploppies chasing their bets when the count is negative and then end up leaaving the table having just lost a $100 bet at a $10 table. I just have to wonder how it is that he could be so stupid not to realize he was doing it backwards?
 

EasyRhino

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#14
wait, if you're playing 3 hands and a guy wongs into your table... keep playing 3 hands. Or 4 if possible. It's not polite (or smart) to wong into another counter's game, screw him.

Last counter I was at a table with... and this was a while ago, was I guess, a half-counter. He seemed to know a lot about the game, he played pretty tight bs, and his bets did tend to ramp up with the count. But, he bet spreads were HIGHLY erratic and seemed reckless, he seemed to legimitely hold some voodoo convictions about the Sacred Flow, and he made a couple of bonehead departure plays. So he was either operating on a level far, far, beyond me, or he learned to keep a running count an nothing else.
 

DonR

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#15
Before I started counting, I wasn't really paying too much attention to other players' bets. Now, I think I can spot a counter rather easily, or at least suspect that he/she is a counter. And it's only the betting ramps, but things like 12 vs 2, taking insurance, and similar.

The obvious concern is that if I can notice this, it should be much easier for the casino management to do the same.
 

ihate17

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#16
You are better than casino management

DonR said:
Before I started counting, I wasn't really paying too much attention to other players' bets. Now, I think I can spot a counter rather easily, or at least suspect that he/she is a counter. And it's only the betting ramps, but things like 12 vs 2, taking insurance, and similar.

The obvious concern is that if I can notice this, it should be much easier for the casino management to do the same.

You know what it is to be a counter, casino management has either no clue with a few exceptions.
Management also has other, more important duties such as looking important, and hitting up the cocktail waitress. The eye is just taping stuff while looking down the blouse of the same cocktail waitress unless someone tells them to watch you.
Basically, they are pre-occupied while you noticed something and then paid attention to the other player. If they happen to notice something then they may also pay attention.

ihate17
 
#17
DonR said:
Before I started counting, I wasn't really paying too much attention to other players' bets. Now, I think I can spot a counter rather easily, or at least suspect that he/she is a counter. And it's only the betting ramps, but things like 12 vs 2, taking insurance, and similar.

The obvious concern is that if I can notice this, it should be much easier for the casino management to do the same.
I dont think that the pit would ever notice a counter as fast as one of us would. We are rampiong our bets the same and doing alot of things that alot of pit crew dont even know about. Also we are at the table the whole time and i believe our eye at the table is much more efficient then there eyes. They may have the cameras to go back to but like he said, all they do is record not pick out a counter. we def can spot them quicker and more efficently. The kid whos table i was at was the most obvious counter and the pit was oblivious to either of us, even as we raised and lowerd our bets in unison.
 

blackchipjim

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#18
counter catcher

Just a little bit of advice to fellow aps I know I wasn't asked but I telling you. If you can detect another counter at the table find a reason to move if possible. Two counters at a table will bring alot of heat and mark you at that casino. If you don't have good camoflage you are screwing your chances of coming back undetected. When a counter comes to the table I let him take the heat and flat bet when he is there unless there is a beter reason to leave. Beginners are fun to watch and watching the dealer and pit put the screws to him is almost unbearably funny. I watched a young counter catch so much heat I think he almost pissed himself. He fell apart when the dealer just came right out and asked him if he was trying to count cards.:eek::laugh: blackchipjim
 

rollem411

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#19
EasyRhino said:
wait, if you're playing 3 hands and a guy wongs into your table... keep playing 3 hands. Or 4 if possible. It's not polite (or smart) to wong into another counter's game, screw him.

Last counter I was at a table with... and this was a while ago, was I guess, a half-counter. He seemed to know a lot about the game, he played pretty tight bs, and his bets did tend to ramp up with the count. But, he bet spreads were HIGHLY erratic and seemed reckless, he seemed to legimitely hold some voodoo convictions about the Sacred Flow, and he made a couple of bonehead departure plays. So he was either operating on a level far, far, beyond me, or he learned to keep a running count an nothing else.
The only reason I didn't continue playing 3 hands was because the count started getting good and I have a strict gameplan that I follow at certain TCs and I only spread to 2 hands...Actually going to start another thread about spreading the field after this post.

I was still a little surprised that when I spread to 3 hands he actually came into the table. I had done it earlier and another guy simply walked away.

I probably should have asked him to wait till the end of the shoe to not screw up the "Flow". I've done that before while heads up and the couple that I had asked had no problem waiting...Although they must have wanted to step in real bad because I was winning a decent amount against that dealer.
 
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