Stupid high rolling ploppy

tensplitter

Well-Known Member
#1
I was playing at a table where someone was flat betting the table max, $500 a hand (more than my max bet). For this hand, I'm at third base, the count is negative so I'm betting $10. The two other players at the table had 16 and soft 17. All the time he was there, he was intimidating the others to play the way he wants.

The high roller had a 14, didn't hit it, and didn't want anyone else at the table to hit their own hands because he was afraid someone would take the "bust card". The other two stood, even with the soft 17. I had a soft 18 and the dealer showed a ten. I hit the 18 and got a ten and then I stayed with hard 18. The ploppy is furious that I hit my soft 18 claiming that "I have 18". As luck would have it, the dealer had a 4 in the hole and the next card was a 7 and the dealer got 21. I lost $10 and wanted to laugh at the ploppy who was chastising me for causing him to lose $500. If I didn't hit, the dealer would have busted, but it was futile for me to explain how my actions don't affect the others in the long run.

I only wish that I got an opportunity to do my favorite index play, split a pair of tens, and because of doing so, cause the dealer to make a hand that would result in me winning and the ploppy losing. Normally I wouldn't be happy about a high roller losing a big bet, but this time I was laughing at his arrogance. I saw him walk away after losing over $5000 at the table I was at. By the way he played, he might as well have just donated the money to the casino. He refused to double down 11 vs 9 in a high count, even after I offered to put up $500 of my money to scavenge that opportunity. He went by his gut when deciding to hit stiffs. He bossed the other players around by giving "advice". He hit a pair of aces when the dealer was showing an ace because he was afraid of betting $1000 against the dealer's ace (the 2 cards he got were tens, busting his hand, whereas if he split them he would have 2 21's). He drank a lot at the table and tipped green chips so the waitress came by often.

All in all, this is the stupidest high roller I've ever seen. I wonder how he has so much money to gamble away because I can't imagine him working in upper management of a company with his attitude. The casinos give us heat for winning a little when this guy practically donates his money to the casino.

I later saw him at a craps table where it looked like he was winning big. He was covering the layout with black and purple chips, including the hardways and field. The dice seemed to be going his way. I had the urge to play at that table betting the dont pass and rooting for the seven just to see how he would react. But the minimum was $25 and I didn't feel like throwing my money away when I didn't need to play for comps.
 

BJLFS

Well-Known Member
#2
I had a ploppy at my table yesterday and was ready to strangle him. He was only critical of one play I made - A7 against a dealer's A - and he wouldn't shut up even after the PB told him to stop it. He said to the PB that "he had an 18!". :flame:

BTW he wasn't a high roller but he still got on my nerves!
 

Mr. T

Well-Known Member
#3
Hey, think Positive. It is big players like that that allows the casino to turn on the lights on for all of us. Also the guy bets $500, you bet $10. You can say he owns the table.

I once played with such a guy. I had 12 and the dealer a 10. He told not to take a card because he thinks the dealer will bust. I told him this is way off normal play. He then push a green chip to me which was what I was betting. I stand and push the chip half way back to him. The dealer pull a 7 and eat both our bets. I then told him the chip he push to me will be our shared bet.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#5
tensplitter said:
I was playing at a table where someone was flat betting the table max, $500 a hand (more than my max bet). For this hand, I'm at third base, the count is negative so I'm betting $10. The two other players at the table had 16 and soft 17. All the time he was there, he was intimidating the others to play the way he wants.

The high roller had a 14, didn't hit it, and didn't want anyone else at the table to hit their own hands because he was afraid someone would take the "bust card". The other two stood, even with the soft 17. I had a soft 18 and the dealer showed a ten. I hit the 18 and got a ten and then I stayed with hard 18. The ploppy is furious that I hit my soft 18 claiming that "I have 18". As luck would have it, the dealer had a 4 in the hole and the next card was a 7 and the dealer got 21. I lost $10 and wanted to laugh at the ploppy who was chastising me for causing him to lose $500. If I didn't hit, the dealer would have busted, but it was futile for me to explain how my actions don't affect the others in the long run.

I only wish that I got an opportunity to do my favorite index play, split a pair of tens, and because of doing so, cause the dealer to make a hand that would result in me winning and the ploppy losing. Normally I wouldn't be happy about a high roller losing a big bet, but this time I was laughing at his arrogance. I saw him walk away after losing over $5000 at the table I was at. By the way he played, he might as well have just donated the money to the casino. He refused to double down 11 vs 9 in a high count, even after I offered to put up $500 of my money to scavenge that opportunity. He went by his gut when deciding to hit stiffs. He bossed the other players around by giving "advice". He hit a pair of aces when the dealer was showing an ace because he was afraid of betting $1000 against the dealer's ace (the 2 cards he got were tens, busting his hand, whereas if he split them he would have 2 21's). He drank a lot at the table and tipped green chips so the waitress came by often.

All in all, this is the stupidest high roller I've ever seen. I wonder how he has so much money to gamble away because I can't imagine him working in upper management of a company with his attitude. The casinos give us heat for winning a little when this guy practically donates his money to the casino.

I later saw him at a craps table where it looked like he was winning big. He was covering the layout with black and purple chips, including the hardways and field. The dice seemed to be going his way. I had the urge to play at that table betting the dont pass and rooting for the seven just to see how he would react. But the minimum was $25 and I didn't feel like throwing my money away when I didn't need to play for comps.
Isn't it ludicrous how he was certain that a ten "was coming" when tried to intimidate everyone not to hit, but when he "needed" a ten (for a double down), he was just as sure that a ten "was not coming!" His hunches were solely based on fear that what he did not want to happen would happen and in both instances caused paralysis to his detriment. I guess that's why they say, "Scared money never wins."
 

paddywhack

Well-Known Member
#6
aslan said:
I guess that's why they say, "Scared money never wins."
I agree here, but tonight however, it only caused me to lose a hell of a lot of money.

Oh well, the casino giveth, the casino taketh away :whip::whip:
 

aslan

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#7
paddywhack said:
I agree here, but tonight however, it only caused me to lose a hell of a lot of money.
Because you didn't get the hours in at the table? Yeah, I hate it when I am doing well and someone comes to the table who gets under my skin causing me to leave. I won't play at a table where there is too much distraction, and I feel it does cost me money. It is somewhat satisfying when these jerks lose all their money and things can return to normal. Another thing, the house often caters to the a-holes, because they are habitual losers. It's not a perfect world. :eek:
 

Thunder

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#8
Just the other day, I had a ploppy curse at me in his native language, screaming and pointing at me literally a foot away from my face. (He was mad because I hit a 12 vs a dealer 3 and as a result he lost his last bit of money) It might have ended worse for him had he not left the second he did because ploppy or not, I tend not to like it when people invade my personal space like that in a threatening manner.
 

paddywhack

Well-Known Member
#9
No

aslan said:
Because you didn't get the hours in at the table? {/QUOTE]


That wasn't a ploppies fault, just the cards. I just read you post and it struck a nerve after the terrible night I had, so I thought I'd post a comment.

Would have lost an awful lot less if I hadn't followed my betting ramp, but you just never know.
 

bjcardcounter

Well-Known Member
#10
Thunder said:
Just the other day, I had a ploppy curse at me in his native language, screaming and pointing at me literally a foot away from my face. (He was mad because I hit a 12 vs a dealer 3 and as a result he lost his last bit of money) It might have ended worse for him had he not left the second he did because ploppy or not, I tend not to like it when people invade my personal space like that in a threatening manner.
Can't we ask "Have you marked cards to know the hole and the next card? are you cheating ? " ... :devil:
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#11
paddywhack said:
aslan said:
Because you didn't get the hours in at the table? {/QUOTE]


That wasn't a ploppies fault, just the cards. I just read you post and it struck a nerve after the terrible night I had, so I thought I'd post a comment.

Would have lost an awful lot less if I hadn't followed my betting ramp, but you just never know.
Ain't that the truth. The betting ramp is my best friend and my worst enemy.
 

UK-21

Well-Known Member
#12
I had a situation where a guy who couldn't get a seat at the table was betting my hand from behind - for ten times the table min that I was playing (neutral count at the time). The next hand deat was A7 v 10. I told him as soon as the dealer started on first that I intended to hit it, but just this once I'd let him buy my hand off me if he wanted to do otherwise. He didn't. I drew a ten and stood.
Dealer busted in the end and we both got paid out.

Moral of the story? Be flexible, but don't let people with big stacks dominate the table and bully others. There's always one.
 

johndoe

Well-Known Member
#13
If a big boisterous ploppy wants to control the table, let them play for the privilege. This can be an incredibly lucrative opportunity if handled correctly.
 

BJmath

Active Member
#14
johndoe said:
If a big boisterous ploppy wants to control the table, let them play for the privilege. This can be an incredibly lucrative opportunity if handled correctly.
Sorry about my dumbness, what lucrative opportunity might there be?
 

johndoe

Well-Known Member
#18
BJmath said:
Sorry about my dumbness, what lucrative opportunity might there be?
If he wants to dictate your playing, you can offer to be paid or bribed for it, or just let them buy the hand "if they know how to play it right". Work the right drunk/rich/arrogant a-hole correctly, and you'll be selling him many of your crappy hands. Your resulting net edge can be very good.

This takes some careful social skills (and balls), as well as knowledge of EV per hand, but it's awfully nice to be able to dispose of hands you'd rather not play.
 

pit15

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#19
"Gimmie 25 bucks and I'll stand"

If they pay you to start playing other then the correct strategy, then keep milking them for as much as you can, otherwise they can shut up and deal with it.
 

Thunder

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#20
I was getting a lot of heat at one joint the other day so I decided to play in a negative shoe. It was really bad so I ended up hitting my 13 vs. the dealer 4 and you should have seen how mad they got at me. In the end I got 20 but the dealer somehow got 21 and they just went off on me. Sometimes I really want to tell them I'm a counter but I can't. Nobody would buy my hand either.
 
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