Betting Strategies

mrbill

Well-Known Member
#1
I'm interested in what betting strategies people use.

I'm not quite sure what to call what I use at $5.00 tables.

First bet is $5.00. Every time I win I add $5.00 to the bet. If I lose, I reset to $5.00. I also reset to $5.00 whenever an even happens that would change my first card. That includes shuffling, dealer change, new player to my right or a player leaves to my right. I also add $5.00 to my bet after a push. The highest I've ever gotten is $55.00.

If I've gotten a BJ at $5.00 I will change my first bet to $7.50 after a loss.

I play pretty much basic strategy although I don't have the charts memorized. I probably double on some things that basic strategy say I shouldn't, such as doubling 7 or 8, but I've done pretty good with those.
 

Mikeaber

Well-Known Member
#2
Dahl

This sounds a lot like the Dahl system...well somewhat anyway.

Basically, with Dahl, you start out with $10. If you win, you pull back to $5. If you win that one, you are on the road. You increase the bet by $5 each time up to a pre determined limit. Usually that limit is set somewhere around 4 or 5 wins in a row and then you "reset" to the beginning $10 bet again.

This one is a little more conservative than a positive progression. It plays out okay in the simulators. About the same as "flat betting."

But like ALL betting strategies, it's a Rob Peter to pay Paul situation. Sooner or later, you are going to get into a streak that will hurt you more than straight flat betting will hurt you.

So why not just "flat bet?" Well, if you do that, over the long haul, you are going to get eaten up by the house advantage. That advantage isn't much, but it will take it's toll. However, your objective is to play for 2 to 4 hours and not go home broke. I understand that attitude for I have it myself <grin>. I've found "flat betting" to be the best way so far to accomplish that if you do not wish to count cards.

You can add a little adrenalin pump by watching the cards and trying to determine when there are going to be a lot of face cards hitting (say after you see a couple of hands pass without many face cards in the mix!) When you see that happen, you can increase your bet...and probably loose it but it was a rush increasing it :laugh:
 
#3
mrbill, if you want to see a little more info on a positive progression betting strategy similar to what you are doing, read Walter Thomson's 21st Century Blackjack. He took Dahl's theory and put it to an empirical test. The results are interesting but take them with a grain of salt because his experimental sample was mighty small. (5,000 hands) I think his book is much better than Dahl's but I would still like to see someone take that idea and put it to a much larger test to see if the results are replicated.
 
#5
The Gambler's General Store in Las Vegas has almost any gambling title you might want in stock. They do mail order. I loaned my catalog to a bar owner who wanted to set up a weekly hold-em game and needed some things but I will get it back in a few days. I'll post their phone number then.
 

Mikeaber

Well-Known Member
#6
book store

I'm not sure which of the two below Blackjackrebel might be referring to. Maybe neither. Still worth a check out.

Gambler's General Store. Address. 800 S. Main St. Location. Downtown. Phone. 800/322-2447, 702/382-9903
www.gamblersgeneralstore.com


The above might be what you are looking for.

or, it might be:

Gambler's Book Shop
630 SOUTH 11th STREET / LAS VEGAS, NEVADA 89101
[size=-1]Store Hours: Mon-Sat 9am-5pm. Closed Sunday.[/size]

[size=-1]TOLL FREE ORDER LINES: 1-800-522-1777 & 1-800-634-6243 -- Phone: 702-382-7555 / FAX: 1-702-382-7594[/size]
http://casinogambling.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.gamblersbook.com/
 
#7
Twenty-First Century Blackjack Walter Thomason
Its on Amazon here:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/156625132X/?tag=theblackjacbasic
its a excellant read on the history of progressive betting,
when you mention the word progression :eek: you usually get shouted at :D as if its a BIG nasty word as it gets a lot of peoples back up :laugh: as per the argument here "Card counting can give you an edge. Progressions do not give you an edge" click on Progressions at the top of the page here http://www.bj21.com/frames/index.html :p

for me the best book on blackjack is
Blackjack Bluebook II Fred Renzey
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0615123007/?tag=theblackjacbasic
BlackjackInfo: https://www.blackjackinfo.com/store/blackjack-bluebook-ii.html

I use Pro-1 ( (Dead link: http://www.highstakes21.com/) ) and had considerable success with it, and have won more than I have lost, there is another system thats cropped up at another forum called the Star system* that has been showing some positive results that you might want to check out
*You can get it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gamblingstrategies/files/

Take care and be lucky

Cheers

Colin
 

Newb

New Member
#8
Right now I use negative progression aka The Martingale system.

I have several reasons for doing so. The main being I don't know how to count...yet. Heck I am still trying to master B.S. One of the other reasons is it is alot more fun to have 320$ on a turn of the cards than 5$.

Even though from what I have read it works out the same as flat betting I think I have done better, Might just be the numbers havn't caught up with me yet.

I start with a minimum of $500 BR start at $5 on a $500 limit table and double up losses. Early in the game I will double up to $80 Which gives me 5 hands to win. Then increase it as my BR increases.

Yes those who know more than I say it is a bad system but hopefully I will learn the better ones soon.
 
#9
mrbill said:
I'm interested in what betting strategies people use.

I'm not quite sure what to call what I use at $5.00 tables.

First bet is $5.00. Every time I win I add $5.00 to the bet. If I lose, I reset to $5.00. I also reset to $5.00 whenever an even happens that would change my first card. That includes shuffling, dealer change, new player to my right or a player leaves to my right. I also add $5.00 to my bet after a push. The highest I've ever gotten is $55.00.

If I've gotten a BJ at $5.00 I will change my first bet to $7.50 after a loss.

I play pretty much basic strategy although I don't have the charts memorized. I probably double on some things that basic strategy say I shouldn't, such as doubling 7 or 8, but I've done pretty good with those.

I know this is an old post but...IF I USE PROGRESSION,:rolleyes:...not saying I do...;)...and I dont condone it unless you get backed of quicked than it takes to fry an egg..:cool:

Variance is WAY TO GREAT on 6 and 8 decks...So stick to double deck.

Anyway enjoy try it out the results might startle you...

starting 100 unit bank. Bankroll extention ROR reduction playing strategy when using progressive system. If you count you will want to flat bet tc 2.5 and above.

Maybe you give it a try and maybe you like the results. I dare you to give it a try and c if its not addictive. Of course always test any strategy you use at home first.
Double ALL VS 4.5.6. ALL 4.5.6. nEVER DOULBE 2-9 VS 2, 3, 7, 8, 9. NEVER DOUBLE 10 or 11 vs 2, 8, 9, 10 or Ace. Double 12vs anything. Hit 13 v 2 9 10 and ace... Split ALL vs 4.5.6. DOUBLE anything after if cant bust. Double blackjacks vs 4.5.6.

Then by betting strategy would be start double deck with 2u. If I win drop to 1. If I lose that raise to 4 if I win that back to one if I lose that back to 2. Lose that up to 8. If I win that 8 because of my unit amount Im gone. Never more than 8 a deck and since variance resets after every deck betting progression would too.

I love it. ADDICTIVE and very damaging to the house. See if you cant empty a color from the chip rack.
 

Ryemo

Well-Known Member
#10
Thechosenone said:
I know this is an old post but...IF I USE PROGRESSION,:rolleyes:...not saying I do...;)...and I dont condone it unless you get backed of quicked than it takes to fry an egg..:cool:

Variance is WAY TO GREAT on 6 and 8 decks...So stick to double deck.

Anyway enjoy try it out the results might startle you...

starting 100 unit bank. Bankroll extention ROR reduction playing strategy when using progressive system. If you count you will want to flat bet tc 2.5 and above.

Maybe you give it a try and maybe you like the results. I dare you to give it a try and c if its not addictive. Of course always test any strategy you use at home first.
Double ALL VS 4.5.6. ALL 4.5.6. nEVER DOULBE 2-9 VS 2, 3, 7, 8, 9. NEVER DOUBLE 10 or 11 vs 2, 8, 9, 10 or Ace. Double 12vs anything. Hit 13 v 2 9 10 and ace... Split ALL vs 4.5.6. DOUBLE anything after if cant bust. Double blackjacks vs 4.5.6.

Then by betting strategy would be start double deck with 2u. If I win drop to 1. If I lose that raise to 4 if I win that back to one if I lose that back to 2. Lose that up to 8. If I win that 8 because of my unit amount Im gone. Never more than 8 a deck and since variance resets after every deck betting progression would too.

I love it. ADDICTIVE and very damaging to the house. See if you cant empty a color from the chip rack.
Is there a “disadvantage” section this can go into?

WTF man... are you drunk? This is definitely not a winning system.
 
#12
Hey Ryemo whats wrong with bumping up a thread from 2005? i have gained more knowledge reading peoples experience in blackjack casinos in ac/vegas than i could have in any store bought book period let alone any software (except masque blackjack that thing plays like a beast) but anywho yea read everything you can here and other forums and you will come across threads people smarter than you and i who have strong counting systems and lose 1k, 2k, 3k,4k, upwards of 7k and quit if you can't handle that then why bother with BJ21? i truly do not know if those posts were actual events but damn do they correspond with some of the few blackjack software i have (excluding casino verite maybe 2003 version has a decent shuffle) but yea be prepared for losing periods of upwards of 3-6months and bankrolls of consisting of 5ks+ i encourage old threads/post the history can show somewhat of the future

if you can do that your 1/2 way done =)
 
#15
ok sorry, yes it is garbage any system based on "due" may as well play the greatest chess players of all time and say well im due to win eventually! systems without math backing it up
 
#16
psyduck said:
The best way to deal with this is to stay quiet because the poster wanted attention and to stir things up. Do not bite.
Was not stirring attenion. Grab a double deck and murder it. Why you think 4 decks are gone gone with the wind?
Stevel96a1 said:
ok sorry, yes it is garbage any system based on "due" may as well play the greatest chess players of all time and say well im due to win eventually! systems without math backing it up
Lol. Steve get a double deck use the strategy. Play 200 decks become empiric in reading the cards instead of counting and you will see after the first few decks. If you count. Well because the playing strategy is different...Grab a double deck up and do it.

Once you do you will be converted please do not fall into the same counting trap I fell into 13 years ago.

Just grab a double deck play a few decks and come back on here if you have questions. Im here to help not sell blackjack simulation machines or subscriptions to sites. Im simply telling you what I do.

Like I said if you pick up a double deck and play a few decks you will be coming back here asking questions. There is more to it so feel free to ask away
 
#17
I dont count so sorry guys but i do have my own betting i do, then again it could already be a system. Will flat bet but once i make a profit i will flat bet 2 more times before raising. Its more like

$100w, $100w, 100w, 200w, 300L, back dolwn to $100 again. I dont chase a loss. Somehow as of right now i am quite a bit ahead by $12,525 in my envelope. I started with $500. This is over the course of 2 in a half months. I will never chase my losses, i have always gotten screwed doing that. If i get a double down and make a profit off of that, i may add one more unit. If i get a blackjack, i will drop my bet as i always seem to lose the hand after a blackjack. Haha

Sorry if there are a lot of typos, i am typing from a phone.
 
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