Louisville Riverboat Gambling

aslan

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#1
There's riverboat gambling in Louisville, KY. Has anyone played there? I'll be in Louisville for a pool tournament in January and am wondering if it is worth a visit. Any comments would be appreciated.
 

Preston

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#2
The closest to Louisville is Caesar's Indiana and it was one of the crappiest casinos I have ever been to..

and the rules were pathetic.

They have 8 deck shoes, crap pentration H17, standard rules

Tight DD rules including Double 10/11 only, no resplitting of pairs no DAS, no surrender, 30% penetration, dealer hits soft 17

overall the worst casino I have been to this year.

I was offended by how bad the conditions were.
 

ChefJJ

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#3
aslan said:
There's riverboat gambling in Louisville, KY. Has anyone played there? I'll be in Louisville for a pool tournament in January and am wondering if it is worth a visit. Any comments would be appreciated.
I've never made it down all the way to the Belterra, which is between Louisville & Cinci...but may be a tad closer to Louisville. I don't know if anyone around here has info on the conditions there, you may want to check that one out.

good luck
 

moo321

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ChefJJ said:
I've never made it down all the way to the Belterra, which is between Louisville & Cinci...but may be a tad closer to Louisville. I don't know if anyone around here has info on the conditions there, you may want to check that one out.

good luck
Let's see, 6 deckers, S17, Das, average penetration if I remember correctly. I don't remember any 2 deck, but if its there, it's probably 10-11, NDAS, $25 min.
 

geneticfreak

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They have a couple 2 deck shoe games. I can't remember if it's DOA or only 10/11, but I remember DAS and I think H17.

There was only one 6 deck on the main floor with $25 min, S17, DOA, resplit to 4 hands. Everything else was 8 deck with the same rules and $10-15 mins. And there was also one CSM with a $5 min.
 

aslan

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#6
Has anyone been to the Riverboat casino that is no more than 30 miles from the Louisville airport? It must be in or nearly in Louisville.
 

geneticfreak

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#7
That would be Caesar's, across the river. The hotel isn't too bad, but the boat was small inside. The tables were jammed together and looked cheap. I actually drew blood on an exposed bolt on one of the table legs - my first blackjack injury.:laugh:
 

aslan

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geneticfreak said:
That would be Caesar's, across the river. The hotel isn't too bad, but the boat was small inside. The tables were jammed together and looked cheap. I actually drew blood on an exposed bolt on one of the table legs - my first blackjack injury.:laugh:
Is Caesar's the games you described above?
 

geneticfreak

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#9
Caesar's was the game described by Preston. The ones I described was Belterra, which I like a lot more. It's a newer casino that seemed to have a Borgata feel to it.
 
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aslan

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Preston said:
The closest to Louisville is Caesar's Indiana and it was one of the crappiest casinos I have ever been to..

and the rules were pathetic.

They have 8 deck shoes, crap pentration H17, standard rules

Tight DD rules including Double 10/11 only, no resplitting of pairs no DAS, no surrender, 30% penetration, dealer hits soft 17

overall the worst casino I have been to this year.

I was offended by how bad the conditions were.
Perchance it changes from time to time. On the other hand, no competition, no change.
 

Knox

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#11
Caesar's Louisville: DD game $25 min, pen was better for me, 50%+ but still not great. There are also $25 6D games in the "high roller" area, but I will only play $10-$15 6D games as I like to spread at least 1-10 on those. There are plenty of 8D shoes, but they are H17. The saving grace was lazy shuffles: split decks in half, shuffle together, cut, play. Plugs intact, should be exploitable. The S17 6D game was better but pricey. CBJN reports about 75% pen for the 8D, and a little worse on the 6D. DD game would not allow me to split into two hands mid-shoe, and requires min x 2 for two hands. $125 bet on DD game drew "checks play" call to PB, basically these folks are a bunch of tightasses but at least I got lucky and took them for a grand. Decent sports/bar restaurant were you can seat yourself at the counter and get quick service.

Belterra: way out in the middle of nowhere, only been there once. Was strictly playing red chip at the time, and saw only 6D $15 games open. CBJN reports bad penetration across the board and lots of restrictions on splitting to two hands and replits of pairs. I don't think I will ever go to this place again, Argosy Cinci is a better option. Grand Victoria is also worth considering but it is a small place. I've played there for hours too without a single positive count, are they cheating somehow?
 

ChefJJ

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Knox said:
I don't think I will ever go to this place again, Argosy Cinci is a better option. Grand Victoria is also worth considering but it is a small place. I've played there for hours too without a single positive count, are they cheating somehow?
I agree about Argosy generally being the best option for BJ in the metro Cinci area. The 6D game generally seems to come at $10 or $15 minimums too. I've had moderate success with BJ at the Grand Vic in the last few trips, but the last run there was last fall...I do prefer it for craps though because it generally has less people crowding the tables.

good luck
 

Preston

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#13
Knox said:
Cestaurant were you can seat yourself at the counter and get quick service.

ver go to this place again, Argosy Cinci is a better option. Grand Victoria is also worth considering but it is a small place. I've played there for hours too without a single positive count, are they cheating somehow?
Myself and a few fellow counters have the same suspicion of that place.

Maybe we should file complaint with indiana gaming commision
 

mjbballar23

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re

Preston said:
Myself and a few fellow counters have the same suspicion of that place.

Maybe we should file complaint with indiana gaming commision
If the count was always negative, wouldnt that mean that more tens and aces were always coming out? I suppose the only cheating i could see here is the dealers bringing all the big cards to the front of the shoe so counters dont have time to react to positive counts.
 

aslan

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mjbballar23 said:
If the count was always negative, wouldnt that mean that more tens and aces were always coming out? I suppose the only cheating i could see here is the dealers bringing all the big cards to the front of the shoe so counters dont have time to react to positive counts.
If the count is always negative, all it tells you is that there are more tens and aces in the remaining decks including those that will not be dealt. It does not mean that there are more tens and aces coming out, because they may be contained in the portion of undealt cards. For this reason, you could never assume that tens and aces are coming out; you should wait until the count is in positive territory because that is where there is a greater likelihood that high cards will be coming out.

Also, when the count stays negative it can actually mean that more low cards are coming out, but they are coming out slowly and just enough to beat the number of high cards coming out. So in fact you could be slowing raising the count but never quite reaching positive territiory.
 

Preston

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#17
My experience was the opposite of what is listed above...

On more than one occasion I have back counted tables. Counts would raise absurdly high. Enough for me to jump in the action. Despite the high counts, small cards were still coming out and dealers were still drawing out. It seemed like A TC of +8 would act like a TC of -8.

At first I just figured it was negative variance.. a bad run of cards.

But this has been the case pretty much every time I've played the shoe games there.

And on top of it all, the comps are weak. Despite giving decent action there (I have actually found a couple dealers to holecard at their crappy DD game). My coupon for Feb is $7/week.

Belterra down the road who I HAVE GIVEN EQUAL ACTION TO is offering me $60/week, a free hotel stay (in a better hotel than Grand Vic's), and $20 food credit and then some.

I figure GV will sink when Argosy gets their new boat.
 

Kasi

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Preston said:
On more than one occasion I have back counted tables. Counts would raise absurdly high. Enough for me to jump in the action. Despite the high counts, small cards were still coming out and dealers were still drawing out. It seemed like A TC of +8 would act like a TC of -8.
Yeah that's exactly the way, if they were cheating, what I thought would be the way they'd do it.

Especially if several successive shoes all end at a + count, I'd really worry.

It's not like it's never happened before.
 

Preston

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ChefJJ said:
When are they ballparking that being ready?
early- mid 2009.

I have seen the size of the new boat. I am fairly certain it will put GV under. A lot of the reason GV gets the business they do is because Argosy goes to capacity.
 
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