Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

shadroch said:
Don't want to seem cruel, but LC lost nothing of his own. He lost his mothers money, not his. Money that he should not have been using, if I read this correctly. Seems to me the legal case would have been LCs mother going after her son for unauthorised use of her money. Doesn't matter what his intentions were, he took and lost her money.
She was deceased. zg
 
QFIT said:
After all this, you still do not understand that the system is bogus?

What were the dirty details? The usual martingale? Claims of a "predictable RNG"?

The phrases "I won using some gambling system" and "The system I used yields a long-term edge over the house" are not equivalent, and if the OP STILL can't figure that out then there's not much hope.
 

jerseyshop101

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Liquid Chips said:
The reason I trusted Cipher was because I had success with the system myself. It was just that Cipher could do this full-time and with bigger money. So that is why I did it. But Cipher used the money for sports-betting with which he didn't really have a system for as he did for online blackjack.

Like I said, I used the Cipher system and won money with it so I didn't think it was bogus. Yes, it was the system that I won $40,000 from Heroes Casino and an additional $20,000 or so from several other casinos afterward.

Nobody resolved anything. A district attorney was supposed to investigate it but Cipher's wife is a court reporter and familiar to the district attorney. Good ole boy network stymied it. Also, the group that gave Cipher $100,000 dropped pursuing a lawsuit because they knew they wouldn't get anythig out of Cipher so they rather that Cipher work it off. (I don't know if he actually did) They are in California, I'm in Virginia. I had too many other issues in life at the time to pursue the case. In the whole view of life, I didn't want to be motivated to do something that is based on hate or a negative cause. I had enough of it.
Did you agree to let him use your money for sportsbetting?
 

shadroch

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zengrifter said:
She was deceased. zg
Not according to LC. He claimed he gave Cipher the money because they needed it to pay her bills. Later he says that Medicare would have taken anyway, which means the money was in his mothers name. She dies, according to LC, soon after he started asking about his profits.
 

Liquid Chips

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Geez, I thought I explained things and it was time to move on. But no, everybody is an arm-chair analyst picking at the nits. I don't have time for this.

To clarify, I told my mother what I wanted to do. She trusted me, I trusted Cipher. Why did I trust Cipher? Because I did alright using his betting strategy...it worked for me. Simple...that's all.

Cipher made one $2,400 payment. He asked how I wanted the next payment to be. I told him to hold on to it until it was necessary for my mother's bills coming a couple of months down the road. When it came time to ask Cipher for another payment, he was evasive at the time. In hindsight, I should had him regularly make payments. My mother passed on a couple of months later. No it was not related to the Cipher incident.

I did not know anything about Cipher using the money for sports-betting. I head from a third party who worked with Cipher on developing Cipher's Java version of his software about it. Cipher ripped him off too.

I wouldn't call Cipher Strands 'technology'. The Cipher software is just a glorified spreadsheet program that provides a clear picture of how your online session is going by putting losses and pushes in red blocks, the wins in green blocks. Sometimes you see patterns, sometimes not.
 
Remaining strands of Cipher

The cipherblackjack.com domain name expired 17 Oct, 2010. Bruce Holway of Visalia, CA is now owner and proprieter of Dittoprints, a place that makes t-shirts and such.

Connect with your old pal, Cipher? Do you miss him and often think of him?

Bruce Holway

Dittoprints
114 West Main St., Suite 1E
Visalia, CA 93291

PH:559-622-0635

I wrote about Cipher years ago that went as follows:

Check this out guys!!! There's this whizbang blackjack guy, the most amazing I've ever seen that has cracked the codes to online casinos, specifically BoDog and is making millions for everyone! I am going to get on the bandwagon and sent him a big chunk of my bankroll, maybe 50,000 or so so I can skip having to to to the casino as much and merely stroll out to the mailbox to pick up my 15% skim of the profits each month!
Okay...I am lying. I started reading the Cipher stuff on here which led me to about 30 pages of message board stuff on another gambling forum which led me to more of the same showing that this guy has swindled lots of people out of lots of money, telling them how he would give them a 15% return per month (the amounts vary and possibly the deals he cut but the end result is all the same with no one seeing a dime) and taking their money from all appearances. It also led me to his still quite active website where he is selling his amazing system for $600...get 'em while they're hot...limited supply!!!hahaha
I go on the website...and wonder how much I can see or find out (without having to pay $600 bucks). Sure enough, there are "demonstration videos" in which he shows his amazing system in action that he gives a narrative as he goes. I watched 3 of the videos and I am wondering if anyone else has.
Each demo video shows one "session" of 30 hands. He starts playing using this software and is plugging in cards played...to INCLUDE the suits of the cards. At first what would go through your mind is that suits of cards have NO relevance in blackjack. A facecard is a facecard whether it's a heart or a spade...it's all the same; So maybe one is led to believe that the suits of the cards have relevance in this "cracking of the RNG" as far as a pattern? The more you see and the farther he goes, you see he is simply doing a betting progression but the amusing part is the narrative using phrases and terms like "building hamburgers"(maybe he worked in a fast food joint at one time), "switchback", "stairstep" and a few others as he is doing a betting progression.
You start to see not only is this a betting progression method but also he is seriously "out of tune" with the RNG predictability factor when he has a fat bet out there, like 150 and hitting a stiff and breaking and then dropping all the way back down to $1 and getting a blackjack on his $1 bet. I was thinking to myself, "What was that?? The ol' "switchback doublesneak stairstep cheeseburger play?????"
Anyone that has not watched a few of these videos needs to do it because they are every bit as wild as the roulette money making machine with the 2 speed automatic transmission. I hear that for an extra $4000 I can get the turbocharged model though.
I think everyone should have REQUIRED READING on what this guy named Arnold Snyder has to say about gambling gurus selling systems of any kind. He lays it out in a very straight forward manner and if everyone that got zapped by this guy read Arnold Snyders thoughts on "foolproof systems that require no counting" they never would have been duped.
 
Liquid Chips said:
Geez, I thought I explained things and it was time to move on. But no, everybody is an arm-chair analyst picking at the nits. I don't have time for this.
We NEVER had the time for it... BUT we made the time, for you. zg
 

johnnyb

Well-Known Member
Tarzan said:
The cipherblackjack.com domain name expired 17 Oct, 2010. Bruce Holway of Visalia, CA is now owner and proprieter of Dittoprints, a place that makes t-shirts and such.

Connect with your old pal, Cipher? Do you miss him and often think of him?

Bruce Holway

Dittoprints
114 West Main St., Suite 1E
Visalia, CA 93291

PH:559-622-0635

I wrote about Cipher years ago that went as follows:

Check this out guys!!! There's this whizbang blackjack guy, the most amazing I've ever seen that has cracked the codes to online casinos, specifically BoDog and is making millions for everyone! I am going to get on the bandwagon and sent him a big chunk of my bankroll, maybe 50,000 or so so I can skip having to to to the casino as much and merely stroll out to the mailbox to pick up my 15% skim of the profits each month!
Okay...I am lying. I started reading the Cipher stuff on here which led me to about 30 pages of message board stuff on another gambling forum which led me to more of the same showing that this guy has swindled lots of people out of lots of money, telling them how he would give them a 15% return per month (the amounts vary and possibly the deals he cut but the end result is all the same with no one seeing a dime) and taking their money from all appearances. It also led me to his still quite active website where he is selling his amazing system for $600...get 'em while they're hot...limited supply!!!hahaha
I go on the website...and wonder how much I can see or find out (without having to pay $600 bucks). Sure enough, there are "demonstration videos" in which he shows his amazing system in action that he gives a narrative as he goes. I watched 3 of the videos and I am wondering if anyone else has.
Each demo video shows one "session" of 30 hands. He starts playing using this software and is plugging in cards played...to INCLUDE the suits of the cards. At first what would go through your mind is that suits of cards have NO relevance in blackjack. A facecard is a facecard whether it's a heart or a spade...it's all the same; So maybe one is led to believe that the suits of the cards have relevance in this "cracking of the RNG" as far as a pattern? The more you see and the farther he goes, you see he is simply doing a betting progression but the amusing part is the narrative using phrases and terms like "building hamburgers"(maybe he worked in a fast food joint at one time), "switchback", "stairstep" and a few others as he is doing a betting progression.
You start to see not only is this a betting progression method but also he is seriously "out of tune" with the RNG predictability factor when he has a fat bet out there, like 150 and hitting a stiff and breaking and then dropping all the way back down to $1 and getting a blackjack on his $1 bet. I was thinking to myself, "What was that?? The ol' "switchback doublesneak stairstep cheeseburger play?????"
Anyone that has not watched a few of these videos needs to do it because they are every bit as wild as the roulette money making machine with the 2 speed automatic transmission. I hear that for an extra $4000 I can get the turbocharged model though.
I think everyone should have REQUIRED READING on what this guy named Arnold Snyder has to say about gambling gurus selling systems of any kind. He lays it out in a very straight forward manner and if everyone that got zapped by this guy read Arnold Snyders thoughts on "foolproof systems that require no counting" they never would have been duped.
LC, this person just gave you information to possibly "utilize". You could actually pay Cipher a visit if $20,000 is still not considered "chump-change" to you.

The following steps should be taken into account, in order of course:

1. Don't be afraid to use your handy-dandy revolver hidden within a large overcoat, even if it is Summer.

2. Ask him to step outside and kindly help you move a couch into an unmarked white van, and proceed to ask him what size he thinks he is, followed by a swift tazer.

3. Once he wakes up, he should be at the bottom of a manmade pit, where he is kept until the $20,000 is paid.

4. If you suddenly feel like wearing someone's skin over your face, start with Cipher's.

5. Choose what you say wisely ----> "It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again." This should suffice.

6. Proceed to watch Silence of the Lambs, and enjoy a brand new face

:grin:
 
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