casinos that pays 3:2 and S17

#1
I am planning a trip from texas to florida and want to try casinos along i-10.
Could some guys recommend as many casino as possible?

I have been to Coushatta(where I won every time on 4 trips) and Ise of Capre(where I won if lucky) and realized 3:2 payout and S17 are very important factors.

Thank you guys.
 

southAP

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comingme said:
I am planning a trip from texas to florida and want to try casinos along i-10.
Could some guys recommend as many casino as possible?

I have been to Coushatta(where I won every time on 4 trips) and Ise of Capre(where I won if lucky) and realized 3:2 payout and S17 are very important factors.

Thank you guys.
I dont much on casinos on the route, I can tell you about a few in florida. As in the rules, yes 3:2 is important and you shouldnt try to play any less payout for a natural. S17 is valueable but not as valuable as a H17 LS game. So if you had a choice between the two go with LS option. If LS isnt an option definitely go with the S17.

Also if you havent thought of this already, consider the pen for the game. Try to keep the games played around a 1.5D cut off or less. That is something you would have to check out at the casino unless you get get someone to PM the info.
 
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NightStalker

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s17,ns vs h17,ls

southAP said:
I dont much on casinos on the route, I can tell you about a few in florida. As in the rules, yes 3:2 is important and you shouldnt try to play any less payout for a natural. S17 is valueable but not as valuable as a H17 LS game. So if you had a choice between the two go with LS option. If LS isnt an option definitely go with the S17.

Also if you havent thought of this already, consider the pen for the game. Try to keep the games played around a 1.5D cut off or less. That is something you would have to check out at the casino unless you get get someone to PM the info.
I think s17 has lower house edge for BS player. Surrender lowers the variance and does helps counter more but still s17 and h17,ls are comparable games. I don't think that h17,ls is way better than s17..
 

southAP

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#4
NightStalker said:
I think s17 has lower house edge for BS player. Surrender lowers the variance and does helps counter more but still s17 and h17,ls are comparable games. I don't think that h17,ls is way better than s17..
Yes, S17 vs H17 S17 would be better for a player if LS were not a factor. Most likely scenario he will find LS on H17 before he finds one for S17. Im merely pointing out that 3:2 payout and S17 are not the only things the OP should be looking for to minimize the HE.
 

Machinist

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#5
comingme said:
I am planning a trip from texas to florida and want to try casinos along i-10.
Could some guys recommend as many casino as possible?

I have been to Coushatta(where I won every time on 4 trips) and Ise of Capre(where I won if lucky) and realized 3:2 payout and S17 are very important factors.

Thank you guys.
You will be passing New Orleans.....and Biloxi.........stop at all of them!!! Florida will be tougher games from what i have read..

Machinist
 

aslan

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comingme said:
I am planning a trip from texas to florida and want to try casinos along i-10.
Could some guys recommend as many casino as possible?

I have been to Coushatta(where I won every time on 4 trips) and Ise of Capre(where I won if lucky) and realized 3:2 payout and S17 are very important factors.

Thank you guys.
Do you count? Do you use basic strategy? 3:2 and S17 are important in any case, but pen is not if you do not count.
 
#8
I haven't seen a casino where surrender is allowed. Probably I will meet some on this trip.
Could you tell me some in Florida that have good rules?
Thanks
southAP said:
I dont much on casinos on the route, I can tell you about a few in florida. As in the rules, yes 3:2 is important and you shouldnt try to play any less payout for a natural. S17 is valueable but not as valuable as a H17 LS game. So if you had a choice between the two go with LS option. If LS isnt an option definitely go with the S17.

Also if you havent thought of this already, consider the pen for the game. Try to keep the games played around a 1.5D cut off or less. That is something you would have to check out at the casino unless you get get someone to PM the info.
 
#9
I checked the map and there are many casinos on each city.
Are you suggesting me to visit one by one in both cities?
I knew harrar's at french quarter does not have good games.
Machinist said:
You will be passing New Orleans.....and Biloxi.........stop at all of them!!! Florida will be tougher games from what i have read..

Machinist
 
#11
aslan said:
Do you count? Do you use basic strategy? 3:2 and S17 are important in any case, but pen is not if you do not count.
I usually count but stop if the shuffle becomes bad.
I did not notice the importance the pen. Maybe I will check this out next time.
 

aslan

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#12
comingme said:
I usually count but stop if the shuffle becomes bad.
I did not notice the importance the pen. Maybe I will check this out next time.
In my own way of viewing it, since the count must end at zero, it must move positive sooner or later. With deeper pen you have more chance of enjoying a plus count. Did you ever notice with poor pen that when you do get a plus run started, it's usually over in one or two rounds?

In a shoe game, you might wong in after a long negative run turns positive and enjoy a long positive run. I've had my longest plus runs with deep pen, but deep pen is not the only factor at play in long runs. I do know that good pen is better than good rules...up to a point, of course.
 
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aslan said:
In my own way of viewing it, since the count must end at zero, it must move positive sooner or later. With deeper pen you have more chance of enjoying a plus count. Did you ever notice with poor pen that when you do get a plus run started, it's usually over in one or two rounds?

In a shoe game, you might wong in after a long negative run turns positive and enjoy a long positive run. I've had my longest plus runs with deep pen, but deep pen is not the only factor at play in long runs. I do know that good pen is better than good rules...up to a point, of course.
I agree with you for the switch. It's just I can get tired if I keep counting every shuffle. So I will quite often play simply intuition if run count is like -15 when 2+ decks are dealt.
 

aslan

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#14
comingme said:
I agree with you for the switch. It's just I can get tired if I keep counting every shuffle. So I will quite often play simply intuition if run count is like -15 when 2+ decks are dealt.
Better than that, you should run like hell! Take a bathroom break, man! Unless that is an unbalanced running count, you have no business hanging around at -15 with two decks dealt.

Intuition? My wife has intuition, but she can't play cards. Don't be a ploppy--it will only cost you money over time. It sounds like you enjoy playing almost as much as winning money. It's good to enjoy the game, but not at the expense playing with an advantage. At the very least, if you don't know the count, and you don't want to wong out, flat bet at the minimum.
 

southAP

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#15
If you're playing a balanced count wong out at TC -1 and keep a look out for tables that are shuffling when the shoe goes bad.
The land based casinos in Fl arent very good, NLS, H17, csm on low limit tables in Seminole properties. Best edge your going to have is on thr Big M boat on the gulf side.
 
#16
Florida...not so much

comingme said:
I haven't seen a casino where surrender is allowed. Probably I will meet some on this trip.
Could you tell me some in Florida that have good rules?
Thanks

As a recent transplant to Florida from the Midwest where I played a lot at relatively decent games in Indiana, I can say that there ARE no good rules in Florida, due to the monopoly that exists here. Better to mail in a check, IMHO.

That being said I have no cred here, as this is my first post. :rolleyes:
 
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aslan

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#18
johndoe said:
Agreed. The rules were terrible last time I was there. It's certainly beatable, but you have to be extremely aggressive.
So in a practical sense, they are unbeatable?
 
#19
To twist your words, I'd say more like "practically unbeatable" save a little positive variance gift from the Seminole gods.

On my one (and only) trip thus far, your options are CSMs (which incredibly were swarming with players, presumably due to their lower limits) and $25 8d ASM S17 tables, which were also very busy. According to a few dealers I talked to, limits go to $50 pretty quickly on weekends so you'd have to be very well banked to survive any variance the other way.

This may all be common knowledge here but after pouring over posts here for months I figured I'd jump in - and it just occurred to me that putting up actual conditions so specifically may be verbotten. If so please delete this and smack my hand accordingly.

So anywho, best of luck to the OP if he gives it a shot.
 

paddywhack

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#20
I wouldn't worry about a slapping

cardenorders said:
This may all be common knowledge here but after pouring over posts here for months I figured I'd jump in - and it just occurred to me that putting up actual conditions so specifically may be verbotten. If so please delete this and smack my hand accordingly.

So anywho, best of luck to the OP if he gives it a shot.
You aren't saying anthing that hasn't been mentioned many times before on this or other sites. Florida is a dreadful place to have any chance at making some part time money at BJ with a modest bankroll (straight counting that is). You'll have to travel to Biloxi, Tunica, Nassau, or Puerto Rico to find some decent games due to competition.
 
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