Would anyone like to run a sim?

1357111317

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Since I have not invested in Casino Verite yet ( I will eventually), I was just wondering if someone run like to run a sim with the following parameters

Zen balanched with I18/Fab 3
6D
H17
75% pen
DAS Resplit everything DOA
ES v X
2 hands of a 1-15 spread.

I think thats about it. Thanks for your help.
 

ohbehave

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I'll run it on Powersim for you. Maybe someone else will do CVCX and you can compare the two. I'll post the results tomorrow.
 

PrinceDragon

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Zen balanched with I18/Fab 3
6D
H17
75% pen
DAS Resplit everything DOA
ES v X
2 hands of a 1-15 spread.
Sup,Hodgies.
Fab 3.....what the $&%*:p
assuming Fab4 and RSA
Here is it,let me know if you need some adjustments on betting

P.D.
 

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1357111317

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Am I reading this incorrectly or did that sim say 60 dollars or 6 units an hour playall?

Sorry I forgot to thank you PD, I was just quite surprised at the results. Any idea on how this could change with HiLo? And do you think you could maybe do one more with wongout at -5 or 6 or something? And maybe only 1 hand below -3? And could you possibly do like a 1-18 spread as well?
 
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bjcount

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1357111317 said:
Since I have not invested in Casino Verite yet ( I will eventually), I was just wondering if someone run like to run a sim with the following parameters

Zen balanched with I18/Fab 3
6D
H17
75% pen
DAS Resplit everything DOA
ES v X
2 hands of a 1-15 spread.

I think thats about it. Thanks for your help.
Using CVData w/ ZEN RA indices I18/Fab4
I also ran cvcx to generate the optimum betting spread for 2 hands.
$5 min bet. WO-4 and leave table.
When I get a chance I'll run one at WO-2.

BJC
 

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bjcount

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I ran a few diffferent sims with cvdata and the results were all pretty poor. So I changed a few things. I eliminated the 2 hand 1-15 spread changing it to a 1 hand 1-12 spread WO-2, $10unit which cvcx created for me using my ZEN Ra indices. Note: with the standard simulator you will not see how many hands were skipped when you wong out. Using the real shuffle simulator will show you hands skipped. After checking that I set all the rules correctly twice, because I was surprised by the results, here they are.
These are too nice for me to believe.

BJC
 

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1357111317

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bjcount said:
Using CVData w/ ZEN RA indices I18/Fab4
I also ran cvcx to generate the optimum betting spread for 2 hands.
$5 min bet. WO-4 and leave table.
When I get a chance I'll run one at WO-2.

BJC
Thanks BJcount.

A couple questions though, did you assume 100 hands an hour for your sims? Also you used a 5 dollar unit for the 1st sim and a 10 dollar unit for a second sim. Also are you sure the second one is right? Because you are using a 10-120 spread on only 1 hand and you are making 6 units/100 hands.... isn't that a bit much?
 

bjcount

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jack said:
Can you post the betting strategy you used?Thankyou!
Hmm... you want my secret indices and betting ramp? You wont understand it, I use assemetry, calculus, and geometry. :laugh:.. And then it goes around full circle to simple math with a bit of probability.

For you JJ.... No problem!

let's see what the best way to do this is...okay got it.
I have it in two files.
1) the first one is ZEN RA full indices with sim results as specified in the file
2) the second is full indices only

For the sim in the prior post I used the I18/Fab4 from the full indices. One note, I just noticed that the early surrender v 10 wasn't set in the posted sim.

As for the bet spread set at 1 hand:
tc1=1u, tc2=2u, tc3=4u, tc4=7u, tc5=9u, tc6=11u, tc7=12u

I hope you get similar results.

BJC
 

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bjcount

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1357111317 said:
Thanks BJcount.

A couple questions though, did you assume 100 hands an hour for your sims? Also you used a 5 dollar unit for the 1st sim and a 10 dollar unit for a second sim. Also are you sure the second one is right? Because you are using a 10-120 spread on only 1 hand and you are making 6 units/100 hands.... isn't that a bit much?
I always use 100 hands/hr for my sims.
The $5 vs $10 was due to the WO point -4 vs -2. CVCX determined with kelly of 0.5 that was the optimum bet using the limits I set. I thought 6u was high too, but I checked everything twice. Even the SCORE is high for a 4.5/6d unless the rules added that much to the game. You wanted RSA, DOA, and multiple hits on aces, ESv10, h17, insurance, DAS, split to 4 hands, 3:2BJ

When you run it thru CVCX you can not set all the rules requested. I'm running a quck sim wih cvcx to see what it comes out with.

BJC

EDIT: Strange results in cvcx... SCORE is only 27.50 which is more inline of what I expected.
 
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bjcount

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1357111317 said:
Sorry no multiple hits on aces BJCount
You said DOA split on everything so I took it as multiple hit on Aces too, oh shoot my error sorry!

I'll have to try it again. What about RSA?

BJC

EDIT: Heres the new one... still not bad
 

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1357111317

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bjcount said:
You said DOA split on everything so I took it as multiple hit on Aces too, oh shoot my error sorry!

I'll have to try it again. What about RSA?

BJC

EDIT: Heres the new one... still not bad

Yeah its RSA. Were you using that 1-12 spread and wongout at -4 like you said in that Excel file? And were you using full indices as well and not just I18 and the fab 4 for ESvX?
 

bjcount

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1357111317 said:
Yeah its RSA. Were you using that 1-12 spread and wongout at -4 like you said in that Excel file? And were you using full indices as well and not just I18 and the fab 4 for ESvX?
The sim in the post above is RSA, WO -2 . The spread in the post is listed in the post but here it is again:
tc1=1u, tc2=2u, tc3=4u, tc4=7u, tc5=9u, tc6=11u, tc7=12u

The excel file uses a different spread due to different rules, see the rules at the top of the file.

The es v x sim is using only i18 and fab 4 indices.

BJC

EDIT: using full indices the SCORE came it at 101.99
 
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1357111317

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Do you think you could run a 2 hand 1-20 spread as well?

And while I am being picky, Could someone run a 3 hand zen 1-20 75% pen except no ES v X? Thanks.
 
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1357111317

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bjcount said:
You said DOA split on everything so I took it as multiple hit on Aces too, oh shoot my error sorry!

I'll have to try it again. What about RSA?

BJC

EDIT: Heres the new one... still not bad
Are you sure that this latest sim was a 1-12 with WO at -2? Because I made a spreasheet with all the TC frequencies and advantages at each frequency for 83% pen from an earlier sim on this thread. I plugged in your bet spread ( except I set a wongout at -1) and got a EV of 38.7$/100 hands, not the 55$/100 hands that you got. Any ideas why this is?
 
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