9 months jail for entering casino with false identity

Mr. T

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#1
In no nonsense Singapore do you think the law is too strict. In Las Vegas if you give a bad check to the casino it is the same as if you have commited bank robbery. Is this just as bad or worst than the Singapore law.

(Dead link: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1053523/1/.html)

P.S. Don't worry about chewing gum here in Singapore. You wont be able to buy it here. But if you come to the casino here make sure you are using your own passport.
 

Sucker

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#3
Mr. T said:
In Las Vegas if you give a bad check to the casino it is the same as if you have commited bank robbery.
This is not true. While it IS a serious offense, and under certain circumstances it CAN result in a felony conviction; it's nowhere NEAR as serious as bank robbery, or any other violent crime, for that matter.
 

Mr. T

Well-Known Member
#4
The bank robbery comparison is what I read in some newspaper article. It may be an overstatement of this very seroius situation.

This is what I found on the internet.

Punishment, penalties, sentencing and plea bargains for casino markers charges in Nevada
Nevada judges may order very harsh prison sentences for defaulting on a casino marker. But the district attorney is often very agreeable to negotiating favorable deals and eventually dismissing the charges, especially if it’s your first offense.



Penalties for defaulting on Nevada casino markers



If the amount of the allegedly unpaid marker is $250 or more, then it will be prosecuted in Nevada as a category D felony, which carries these penalties:



a mandatory one to four years in Nevada state prison,


an optional $5,000 fine


mandatory administrative fees (an extra 5% of each marker of $10,000 or less, and an extra 10% of each marker of more than $10,000)


mandatory full restitution of the outstanding casino marker debt21


Furthermore, Nevada judges hand down penalties per individual marker, not per the entire amount. For example:

John is convicted in Las Vegas under Nevada’s bad check statute for defaulting on two casino markers: One is for $5,000 and the other is for $20,000. The judge in Clark County District Court will likely sentence him to:


up to eight years in prison (up to four years for each marker),


up to $10,000 in fines (up to $5,000 for each marker),


$2,250 in administrative fees (5% of the smaller marker plus 10% of the larger), and


$25,000 in restitution (the total value of both markers)
 

Mr. T

Well-Known Member
#5
QFIT said:
Hey, I was worried about my hair length when I visited Singapore. Fortunately, I don't chew gum.
They use to have a barber in the airport whereby you are given a choice of cutting your long hair off or returning to your home country. Not sure what the latest is on this.
 
#6
Robbery of a FDIC-insured bank is a federal offense. You won't get a chance to give the money back like with a bad check. You also won't get shot dead while passing a bad check.
 

rukus

Well-Known Member
#7
Automatic Monkey said:
You also won't get shot dead while passing a bad check.
CLEARLY you havent been everywhere in AC yet :laugh:

(i have never thought of passing a bad check, but im sure there is at least someone in that city who would be pretty pissed if you tried..)
 

UK-21

Well-Known Member
#8
Mr. T said:
The bank robbery comparison is what I read in some newspaper article. It may be an overstatement of this very seroius situation.

This is what I found on the internet.

Punishment, penalties, sentencing and plea bargains for casino markers charges in Nevada
Nevada judges may order very harsh prison sentences for defaulting on a casino marker. But the district attorney is often very agreeable to negotiating favorable deals and eventually dismissing the charges, especially if it’s your first offense.



Penalties for defaulting on Nevada casino markers



If the amount of the allegedly unpaid marker is $250 or more, then it will be prosecuted in Nevada as a category D felony, which carries these penalties:



a mandatory one to four years in Nevada state prison,


an optional $5,000 fine


mandatory administrative fees (an extra 5% of each marker of $10,000 or less, and an extra 10% of each marker of more than $10,000)


mandatory full restitution of the outstanding casino marker debt21


Furthermore, Nevada judges hand down penalties per individual marker, not per the entire amount. For example:

John is convicted in Las Vegas under Nevada’s bad check statute for defaulting on two casino markers: One is for $5,000 and the other is for $20,000. The judge in Clark County District Court will likely sentence him to:


up to eight years in prison (up to four years for each marker),


up to $10,000 in fines (up to $5,000 for each marker),


$2,250 in administrative fees (5% of the smaller marker plus 10% of the larger), and


$25,000 in restitution (the total value of both markers)
Outrageous - in that someone not paying up on a line of credit agreed by the house (lender) is subject to criminal proceedings. Why isn't this a civil matter? The only way I could think this should slip into criminal law is if someone has made false and misleading representations in order to obtain credit - in which case, in the UK, it would be obtaining credit by deception (which quite understandably is a criminal offense, as are most variations of fraud). In the UK, we stopped committting people to prison for civil matters a fair while back (although "the Clink" is still open as a tourist attraction in London). Are horse theives still hanged in Nevada as well?

I've written about this previously; if a casino offers credit to a punter, who then doesn't settle, why should the tax payer have to foot the bill to have this taken through the criminal justice system? It's a private matter between two parties and should be dealt with by the civil courts - although in the UK pursuing unpaid gambling debts, or damages for any other contractual arrangement related to gambling not being discharged, cannot be.
 
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