Vegas team

#1
I am looking to form a team of counters based in las vegas. If you do NOT live in vegas please do not respond. team will hit casinos average 3 times a week.

If you are not experienced then we will just practice 3 times a week, until the team is strong enough.

A little about me. I already hit casinos weekly and already well rounded counter. just want to go in as a team for more hourly profit.

:cool:
 

Sucker

Well-Known Member
#3
moo321 said:
Ugh. Highly suspect.
Well, yes; a bit of healthy skepticism is certainly prudent, but frankly; I've found some of my best (and some of my worst) teammates by answering ads. It's not like the casinos PAY people to answer ads in order to catch ordinary card counters.

I'm not available at this time or I'D at least MEET with the OP. As long as he promised not to KILL me. Or do something even WORSE. :grin:
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#4
I read an article a year or so ago about a guy who puts together BJ teams.
Everything goes very smoothly until the day when the profits get divided. Somehow this team of pistol wielding hoods keeps finding the meeting place and stealing the entire teams bank as well as their wallets, car keys, ect, ect. The guy seems to have quite a scam going.
 
#5
Sucker said:
Well, yes; a bit of healthy skepticism is certainly prudent, but frankly; I've found some of my best (and some of my worst) teammates by answering ads. It's not like the casinos PAY people to answer ads in order to catch ordinary card counters.

I'm not available at this time or I'D at least MEET with the OP. As long as he promised not to KILL me. Or do something even WORSE. :grin:
This too is my biggest fear. I saw an add on craigslist looking to start a team, but thought that might be to fishy, and I thouhgt he might work for a casino as well. I'm over paranoid I think. probably hollywoods fault.
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
#7
21vegascounter said:
you live in vegas?
No, it's just that you had 2 posts on the site. I don't know anything about you, but I just would be very careful with someone who posted a request like this.

Hell, you could be a long-time pro with a million dollar bankroll. Or a casino spy. Or a thief. Who knows?
 

Sucker

Well-Known Member
#8
moo321 said:
No, it's just that you had 2 posts on the site. I don't know anything about you, but I just would be very careful with someone who posted a request like this.

Hell, you could be a long-time pro with a million dollar bankroll. Or a casino spy. Or a thief. Who knows?
Or all of the above. But I won't mention any names. Most of us know who they are anyway.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#9
shadroch said:
I read an article a year or so ago about a guy who puts together BJ teams.
Everything goes very smoothly until the day when the profits get divided. Somehow this team of pistol wielding hoods keeps finding the meeting place and stealing the entire teams bank as well as their wallets, car keys, ect, ect. The guy seems to have quite a scam going.
In Vegas, all things are possible. It always pays to be wary.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#10
moo321 said:
No, it's just that you had 2 posts on the site. I don't know anything about you, but I just would be very careful with someone who posted a request like this.

Hell, you could be a long-time pro with a million dollar bankroll. Or a casino spy. Or a thief. Who knows?
Hey, if he has a million dollar bankroll, then he can fund us, and we can all come together to split it up. The worst that can happen is that he steals his own money back, including our profits. But I doubt that that will happen if we do the split over dinner at Jean Georges Steakhouse at the Aria. :)

PS--As a precaution, don't give him your real name. That should take care of the casino spy stuff. I can't imagine what casino would go to this much trouble to discover a few counters. It's faster just hiring a few eyes with counting proficiency.
 
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moo321

Well-Known Member
#11
aslan said:
Hey, if he has a million dollar bankroll, then he can fund us, and we can all come together to split it up. The worst that can happen is that he steals his own money back, including our profits. But I doubt that that will happen if we do the split over dinner at Jean Georges Steakhouse at the Aria. :)

PS--As a precaution, don't give him your real name. That should take care of the casino spy stuff. I can't imagine what casino would go to this much trouble to discover a few counters. It's faster just hiring a few eyes with counting proficiency.
Yeah, he's probably not a spy. More likely legit or a thief. However, the casinos have done stranger things to catch counters...

Hell, he could be a Jehovah's Witness!
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#12
moo321 said:
Hell, he could be a Jehovah's Witness!
We'll have to wait and see if his partner shows up. :laugh::whip:

Casinos do everything to catch counters except spend money (other than the huge amount they spend by default with stupidly thought out counter countermeasures, such as poor games that even drive ploppies away). :cool:
 

Sero

Active Member
#13
Countermeasures

aslan said:
We'll have to wait and see if his partner shows up. :laugh::whip:

Casinos do everything to catch counters except spend money (other than the huge amount they spend by default with stupidly thought out counter countermeasures, such as poor games that even drive ploppies away). :cool:
This is where i get lost. Why would casinos try to catch counters instead of making the game unprofitable by any means which is only a matter of time? All they have to do is to make a decision of using CSMs only, am i mistaken? But no, they just don't do it. Instead, they just make the game hardly beatable by counters only and lure them in because counters are also their customers, aren't they? Even with a tiny bit edge, counters have the affinity to beat the game and some of them get out of control where the countercatchers get involved. Can someone tell me that my story is wrong?

SERO
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#14
Sero said:
This is where i get lost. Why would casinos try to catch counters instead of making the game unprofitable by any means which is only a matter of time? All they have to do is to make a decision of using CSMs only, am i mistaken? But no, they just don't do it. Instead, they just make the game hardly beatable by counters only and lure them in because counters are also their customers, aren't they? Even with a tiny bit edge, counters have the affinity to beat the game and some of them get out of control where the countercatchers get involved. Can someone tell me that my story is wrong?

SERO
Sadly, the use of CSMs in increasing rapidly. Still, casinos must believe they must cater to another element of their customer base who insist on hand shuffle or ASMs. By isolating these games to the HR area, I suppose they believe they can focus surveillance there, thereby minimizing losses due to card counters, which these games attract.
 

Sero

Active Member
#15
aslan said:
Sadly, the use of CSMs in increasing rapidly. Still, casinos must believe they must cater to another element of their customer base who insist on hand shuffle or ASMs. By isolating these games to the HR area, I suppose they believe they can focus surveillance there, thereby minimizing losses due to card counters, which these games attract.
I agree. What majority does determines the future of the game as well as quality. If noone plays CSMs, then they are going to have to replace them which I believe happened some times in the past.

On the other hand, do you have any idea about why casinos constantly change the rules of their game? One day there is a 6D S17 game in Monte Carlo with almost over an 80% penetration and another day is the worst game in town like 8D H17 with 2D out and such. No gambler pay attention to what changes casinos make on their BJ games. Only counters do.

SERO
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#16
Sero said:
I agree. What majority does determines the future of the game as well as quality. If noone plays CSMs, then they are going to have to replace them which I believe happened some times in the past.

On the other hand, do you have any idea about why casinos constantly change the rules of their game? One day there is a 6D S17 game in Monte Carlo with almost over an 80% penetration and another day is the worst game in town like 8D H17 with 2D out and such. No gambler pay attention to what changes casinos make on their BJ games. Only counters do.

SERO
Ploppies don't see the changes in games, but they hear it from their more educated BS and card counting friends. The word spreads that even the pros avoid the games at the Monte Carlo. The ploppies can't beat them anyway, but when they find that the pros don't even go there, they say, "WTF! What chance do I have if the pros can't win?!" How long does it take to spread? I don't have a clue, but I know I discuss games all the time with other gamblers and they probably avoid those games that I tell them are unbeatable.

For example, card counters rate penetration highly. A 6-deck game has little chance of moving into a healthy plus count if the house is cutting 50%. A plus count is beneficial not just to counters, but to everyone. More blackjacks are more blackjacks. More successful double downs are more successful double down., More dealer busts are more dealer busts. The ploppies and BS players benefit from these situations, they just don't know how to capitalize on them. If they hear that the cards seldom benefit the player because of bad penetration, don't you think that makes an impression on at least some of them? If if not, they still remember that Monte Carlo means bad blackjack, :laugh:

I always tell ploppies, the deeper the cut, the better for everybody. I tell the pit bosses that, too...but I tell them that the deeper cut gives the aces more chance to come out. The more aces for everyone, the better, I tell them. So far they only nod in agreement. I think it makes some of them feel bad that just maybe they are not being fair to their customers. You think? :laugh:
 
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