Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun Conditions

MJ1

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#1
Hi guys,

What are the table minimums and penetration levels like at Foxwoods 8 deck games during the day and evening? What about for MS 8 deck games? According to CBJN, both casinos cut off 1.5 decks and offer table minimums of $10. Can somebody that has been there recently please confirm...

Thanks,
MJ
 
#2
Hey,

This is my first post on this forum. I have played extensively at Foxwoods, and a little at Mohegan Sun the past few months. Here is the deal:

Foxwoods
Foxwoods has an 8 deck game. Penetration averages about a deck and a half. It depends on the dealer. I have seen much more, and much less. I was there last weekend, and a dealer cut off about half a deck. I kid you not, I'm not exagerating.

During the day you will find $10, and $25 minimums, but most tables will be at $15 during the day. The later it gets the higher it gets. Say by like 5:00 there will be VERY few, if any $10 tables. Once you get into the evening they will be gone. Most tables will be $15 - $25 with no $10 tables remaining.

Weekends are much different. There will be some $15 tables, but once you get past 8:00pm, or so, it is mostly $25. Last Saturday night they had one $15, and one $10 table. Everything else was $25, or $50. Mostly $25. This past 4th of July they had one $15 table. Everything else was $25, and up.

MGM is different. They will almost always have $15 tables. They will have $10 on week days, and nights. I've been told they are struggling. Unless you go there on a weekend it is empty even when the regular Foxwoods is very busy.

Sunday is a good day to go. A good mix of $15 - $25 tables at Foxwoods.

Mohegan Sun
Mohegan has a six deck game with penetration so bad it will make you say "oh my god" out loud, and I'm not even religious. I have seen three decks cut off before. You need to see it to believe it, and this is in a six deck game!! Good pen at Mohegan is cutting off about two decks. It varies by dealer of course, but pen is terrible overall.

The only time I've seen $10 minimums at Mohegan would be before noon on a weekday. They are normally $15 during the day with some $25. The night of a big show forget about it. They'll all be $25 with maybe one or two $15 around, and this is during the week!!

Weekends will be $25. Maybe find one $15, but there will be such a crowd around you'll need to break down, and play the $25 minimums.

I prefer to play at Foxwoods. They have significantly more tables, lower minimums, they tolerate a large bet spread without a second look, and the dealers will even encourage you to split tens in some cases. You can't split tens at Mohegan ever.

The only problem at Foxwoods is the eight decks. It takes a while to get an advantage. I've back counted at Foxwoods, and jumped in playing a couple hundred dollars a hand, and never had a problem. I usually use a gradual spread of the table minimum to over $200 a hand in extreme positive situations.

I'd be happy to answer any other questions. I spend a LOT of time there!!!
 

MJ1

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#4
Do you think Foxwoods and MGM would be tolerant of a 50 to 1 spread like 2x$10 to 2x$500? If not, do you think a 40 to 1 spread would be tolerated by the pit? This is for a play all game with 8 decks.

Are conditions good for backcounting during weekdays? Thanks.
 
#5
MGM is run by Foxwoods. What I've heard is that the name has been licensed to Foxwoods. The dealers can not switch back, and forth. They work at one, or the other.

I have never played in the high roller rooms at Foxwoods, or MGM. I have heard pen is slightly better, but that depends so much on the dealer I don't know if it is really true. All the high roller rooms at Foxwoods I've been told use six decks.
 
#6
I'd say you can definately backcount at Foxwoods during the week. I do it all the time. I have never bet a hand that high. I've been playing about three days a week. for over 2 months, and have heard a "checks play" by the dealer 4 times. The pit barely looks. What I've seen would be a gambler going from like $50 to $400 of course it's usually during a negative count when they are trying to win money back.

I've never bet that much, but I don't think they even notice you are there until you sit down. If you 'Wonged in' betting that much with no spread I don't think they would think anything.
 
#7
What about the crowds?

I heard that Foxwoods is a waste of time because all the tables are crowded. Heads up play is impossible, supposedly. Is this true?
 
#8
jewstud said:
I heard that Foxwoods is a waste of time because all the tables are crowded. Heads up play is impossible, supposedly. Is this true?
Welcome to the Northeast. Heads up play is rare but not necessary- you just have to avoid the busiest times and learn to work around crowds.

Foxwoods is usually the better of the two games because the pen at Mohegan sucks. Usually.
 

jimmtech

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#9
Wow, I had completely different experiences when I went thru both those places last Friday - Mohegan - many available $10 tables cutting 1-1.5/6. Foxwoods - most tables packed - cheapest $15, nothing better than 2/8 - based on my limited experience Mohegan is where I wanted to return - spread $10 - 2x40 no heat!
 

bjcount

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#10
jimmtech said:
Wow, I had completely different experiences when I went thru both those places last Friday - Mohegan - many available $10 tables cutting 1-1.5/6. Foxwoods - most tables packed - cheapest $15, nothing better than 2/8 - based on my limited experience Mohegan is where I wanted to return - spread $10 - 2x40 no heat!
Weekends are 10-15min until 12pm. After lunch many go to 15-25min. By 4pm you are lucky to even find a seat at the few 15mins when most are now $25 min. If there are $10min, you may to take a number and wait for hours.

We frequently visit MO Sun and we would love to see a 4.5pen. It happens on very rare occasions but the normal cut is 2-2.25. This weekend they made the back pit which was mainly 25min NMS, to $50min NMS. Most of the table at 50min were head on with a max of 2 other players, but the PEN really kills it. You get a good run going by the 3rd deck and then its over. The max is still at 1000 although I saw a few customers ask to push it up. Even in the HL pit very few 100min players and even the shoes I saw as we walked thru were not any better then 4d/6 pens. They have a HL room with $500min and 10k max, not a single player the few times we passed by. Mo-sun does not allow splitting 10's.

At Foxwoods and MGM we found only 8 deck shoes in general although we hear they have 6d in the HL rooms. At MGM we saw mainly 6-6.75/8 shoes, but at Foxwoods (Pequot) many dealers were cutting 6.5-7/8 with a couple even at 7.25/8 but many of the tables are full and some players sit with the BS card in front of them. Watch out for the wongers who just jump in at any count, yes even negative -3 and less...they love splitting 10's against everything.

Mo-Sun has better atmosphere but it is a tough way to go.
After staying two days and playing over 16 hours just bobbing around, I hit a table and for the first time in a while I went from $500 to +3000 in less then 2 shoes.
We packed up our bags and went HOME! FASSSST.
 
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#11
Foxwoods & Mohegan Sun

I went to both today, Sunday. Mohegan had five $10 tables until 2:00, that is when I left to go to Foxwoods. It is rare to see 2 decks or less cut off at Mohegan, never ever seen less than two. The game I think is usually unplayable.

Foxwoods had a good mix of $15 tables today. I table hopped for over 7 hours, and only played $15 minimums except when I entered a $25 table mid-shoe at a high count. You need to walk around to look for a shuffle with an empty spot, but in the Rainmaker casino that never takes long no matter how busy they are.

I guess peoples opinions differ in what they see. I have never felt heat at Foxwoods with pretty crazy spreads. I have received staredowns at Mohegan for a 1-8 spread.

Both Casinos are usually busy. Much, much easier to find a seat at Foxwoods.
They have considerably more tables. More tables equal lower minimums.

I have seen people w/ BS cards at both casinos. Pretty rare, but have seen them. It's not like everyone has one. The "caliber of play" is the same at both casinos. It would be incorrect to say the Mohegan player is more versed than the Foxwoods player.
 

N&B

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#13
Foxwoods noted as 8/1 at the 777 tables weekdays. The Sun is 6/2. Plan on $15 minimums day and $25 after 2nd shift. Weekends are solid $25.

OT: serves them right building the 3rd palace in the same area. Idiots, here, take this knife and cut your own throats. If they weren't so greedy, the Casino in Cornwall/Kent wudda been built. :eyepatch: /OT
 

johndoe

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#14
N&B said:
Foxwoods noted as 8/1 at the 777 tables weekdays. The Sun is 6/2. Plan on $15 minimums day and $25 after 2nd shift. Weekends are solid $25.
Plenty of $15 tables two Saturdays ago when I was there, all night long. 8 deck, 1.5pen. 6 deck in the HL room, but $100 minimums in there.
 

FLASH1296

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#15
Important Note on Foxwoods:

Foxwoods is laying off over 700 employees in mid-October.

That will probably result in the tables being even more crowded, due to less dealers working.

Note that all (but the High Stakes tables) at MGM at Foxwoods are H17 !
 

bjcount

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#16
FLASH1296 said:
Foxwoods is laying off over 700 employees in mid-October.

That will probably result in the tables being even more crowded, due to less dealers working.

Note that all (but the High Stakes tables) at MGM at Foxwoods are H17 !
Hey Flash, you better check out your info again. Played at MGM recently and less then half are H17 and all the others are S17. You have to look at the felt before you sit.


BJC
 

FLASH1296

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#17
proper penetration estimation

I play approx. 40-60 hrs. monthly at Foxwoods and I have NEVER seen a dealer cut off less than 1 deck on an eight decker.

The shoes are notched, and the vast majority of dealers at the 8 deckers, follow their instructions to use the second notch - which is 2 decks.

A goodly number of dealers will cut off about 1.5 decks simply because the requisite Foxwoods shuffle is slow, tedious, and boring.

Most players have never completed the proper visual practice where you band together stacks of cards in 1/2 deck increments. [1/2 deck up to 2.5 decks suffices] and stack them up and stare intently at them from various distances and visually memorize them.
 

johndoe

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#18
bjcount said:
Hey Flash, you better check out your info again. Played at MGM recently and less then half are H17 and all the others are S17. You have to look at the felt before you sit.


BJC
Agreed. Only a small number of tables (far fewer than half) are H17. Plenty of S17 to go around.
 

FLASH1296

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#19
aplogia

I spoke too soon.

I was so disgusted by the repugnant spectre of H17 tables that i simply turned and walked out - without doing my due diligence.

Sorry.
 

N&B

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#20
At least you had the courage to correct yourself in public. Good job.
Now go wreek some havoc on them suckahs. :eyepatch:
 
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