Looking To Meet Lone Bj Players & Teams In Southern California

Sero

Active Member
#1
Hello,

I see in the forums that there are a lot of lone BJ players everywhere but no info about any teams. Teamwork is the only possible way to make big money at the BJ tables and it's more fun. I'm calling lone BJ players to unite and work together. I've been working to create a team and invest so this is an oppotunity for everyone. I'd like to network with lone BJ players around my area, Orange County, CA, who may be interested to be a part of a BJ team. I'm intested to network with the teams as well. I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

SERO
 

eandre

Well-Known Member
#2
teams

Sero said:
Hello,

I see in the forums that there are a lot of lone BJ players everywhere but no info about any teams. Teamwork is the only possible way to make big money at the BJ tables and it's more fun. I'm calling lone BJ players to unite and work together. I've been working to create a team and invest so this is an oppotunity for everyone. I'd like to network with lone BJ players around my area, Orange County, CA, who may be interested to be a part of a BJ team. I'm intested to network with the teams as well. I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

SERO
I doubt that you will get a very good response since most team play is usually a secret? But assuming you are for real, have expert skills, look and act like a high roller then if you are good enough and spend enough time playing...a team will find you. I have never played for a team because I don't trust partners. Partners are only good for dancing. What keeps anyone from taking the daily bankroll and doubling it and reporting a wipe out? A lie detector test? Too late. Remember, a team member outed the MIT team. Good luck on your quest.
 

Sero

Active Member
#3
Teams

eandre said:
I doubt that you will get a very good response since most team play is usually a secret? But assuming you are for real, have expert skills, look and act like a high roller then if you are good enough and spend enough time playing...a team will find you. I have never played for a team because I don't trust partners. Partners are only good for dancing. What keeps anyone from taking the daily bankroll and doubling it and reporting a wipe out? A lie detector test? Too late. Remember, a team member outed the MIT team. Good luck on your quest.
Thank you for the response and info. I know what you are talking about but I just wanted to a give it a try and see if there are people like me who want to do it seriously without fraud. Of course checkout is a must in team play but it's not that easy. All needed is the trust and cooperation in teamwork. I replied my post based on the this fact. Anybody who has the desire and responsibility would eventually realize the truth: " If team wins, you win and this lasts longer. If you report your winning a wipe-out, you may have made some money but it will just fade away."

About the teams that are usually secret, I know no team that is currently performing such thing would let anybody or anything to reveal its secret but what to lose trying the find one?

SERO
 

Sero

Active Member
#5
Lonely Suited Hearts BJ Club

blackjack avenger said:
I am looking for lonely members of the opposite sex in order to play bj with:devil:
Well I think ppl need to know what your sex is in order to answer your question of opposite sex :)
 
#7
eandre said:
I have never played for a team because I don't trust partners. Partners are only good for dancing.
Take this point into consideration, no matter how much you trust someone they can always turn on you. I have been lucky enough to work with a member of my family who shares the same interest and skill as me, even though he is family I am still aware there may be a 'dark side'.

So my point is don't even trust your own mother!!!
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
#9
When someone posts asking me to out myself

Sero
When I read your post, the first thing I do is check out your past posts. Made your first of 4 posts on May 30 and 3 or the 4 are in this thread.

Before you could possibly expect any kind of answer from someone who is real, you would need to show some kind of experience on this board and some longevity.

For all we know you might work for a casino.
For all you know, anyone who contacts you might work for a casino.

Therefore expect no answers from the kind of players you might want on your team.

ihate17
 

Sero

Active Member
#10
Cost vs. Outcome

ihate17 said:
Sero
When I read your post, the first thing I do is check out your past posts. Made your first of 4 posts on May 30 and 3 or the 4 are in this thread.

Before you could possibly expect any kind of answer from someone who is real, you would need to show some kind of experience on this board and some longevity.

For all we know you might work for a casino.
For all you know, anyone who contacts you might work for a casino.

Therefore expect no answers from the kind of players you might want on your team.

ihate17
You are absolutely right about what you said but it's a dilemma. Why I'm saying this is to indicate some points. Let me list them one by one:

- First of all, in my opinion casinos would rather keep the counters out of casino instead of tracking them, unless, of course, they hit casinos so badly like MIT team did.

- Second, let's assume I work for a casino and try to find counters in my area in order to stop them coming to my casino. Considering the numbers of the counters around, what i'm doing would probably make no sense, would it? There are also bunch of other visitor counters coming from out of town.

- Third, again let's assume I work for a casino. What can I possibly do if I catch a counter and what kind of outcome can i generate out of it? Come on, this is not Vegas.

- Fourth, let's assume the person who contacts me is a casino agent. In this case, it's a risk I'm willing to take. I'm not scared or something. He/she may recognize me as a counter and dont let me get in the casino but which casino is it?

-And here is the thing. What if none of these true, I'm not a casino agent, neither is the person who contacts me?

So, i understand the paranoia among the card counters but everything has a cost to pay. The question is if the cost you pay is worth to take the risk. The science of Economics says that if the income(profit) generated is more than the cost paid, then it's worth to take the risk because it's feasible. In this case, I assume there is nothing to lose but to create something that will lead to profit.

After all, at least I'm just trying to do something regardless of what the outcome is going to be. As I said, everything is a risk and the important thing is what if it comes true!

SERO
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
#11
Sero said:
You are absolutely right about what you said but it's a dilemma. Why I'm saying this is to indicate some points. Let me list them one by one:

- First of all, in my opinion casinos would rather keep the counters out of casino instead of tracking them, unless, of course, they hit casinos so badly like MIT team did.


You can not keep them out till you find out who they are. Most individual counters are losers and some casinos understand this and welcome them, while others do not. They guy may have a hole in his game (plays slots etc also) or fail to spread enough etc. Teams are the only real danger to casinos.
Many Southern Cal casinos are fairly incompetant in identifying good conters but some are very good.

- Second, let's assume I work for a casino and try to find counters in my area in order to stop them coming to my casino. Considering the numbers of the counters around, what i'm doing would probably make no sense, would it? There are also bunch of other visitor counters coming from out of town.


You did ask about locals, people will come into the area but it is not Vegas.
Considering the number of counters? That number is extremely small, perhaps about 1 of 1,000 players and perhaps only 1 of 4 of those is a lifetime winning counter.

- Third, again let's assume I work for a casino. What can I possibly do if I catch a counter and what kind of outcome can i generate out of it? Come on, this is not Vegas.


You set up a database on the guy. You should be evaluating him as soon as he sits at one of your tables, instead of the usual evaluating only if something catches attention. Most casinos are not that smart and would probably back him off shortly after he purchases chips. Being that, in fact, this is not Vegas but Indian territory, if you wish you could easily stop him from cashing his chips and let him sue the tribe in Indian Court. The reason that this does not happen is not law, but public opinion. Most native American casinos are semi-local type casinos and bad press is the worst thing that can happen to them. I would bet that the tables at Soboba casino have plenty of empty seats, as an example of press.

- Fourth, let's assume the person who contacts me is a casino agent. In this case, it's a risk I'm willing to take. I'm not scared or something. He/she may recognize me as a counter and dont let me get in the casino but which casino is it?


Generally you are right, it is only one, but if you are barred from Rincon, you are barred from all Harrah's properties. By the way, that is not a bad thing, in Vegas it helps keep you away from the worst games.

-And here is the thing. What if none of these true, I'm not a casino agent, neither is the person who contacts me?

The trouble here is that the person who just contacts an unknown about joining a team will very most likely not be the kind of player who will make a team profitable.

So, i understand the paranoia among the card counters but everything has a cost to pay. The question is if the cost you pay is worth to take the risk. The science of Economics says that if the income(profit) generated is more than the cost paid, then it's worth to take the risk because it's feasible. In this case, I assume there is nothing to lose but to create something that will lead to profit.

After all, at least I'm just trying to do something regardless of what the outcome is going to be. As I said, everything is a risk and the important thing is what if it comes true!

SERO

I do agree that you are trying something. Take my post as an explaination of why I think (and it is only my opinion) that your attempt will fail to put a team or a quality team together, but good luck and I hope I am wrong.

ihate17
 

TheApprentice

Well-Known Member
#12
the Trust issue

It must also be considered ( no offence to the posts originator) that the one attempting to organize the party may be the one not to be trusted, eh?
 

Sero

Active Member
#14
Hi

Red2Green2Black said:
Sero, contact me as I AM interested in team play and I live in OC. Lot's of thoughts to share . . .
Hi Red2,

I tried to PM you but it just doesnt go through. PM me. Thx.

SERO
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#15
The PM feature is not available to new members. You have to make a few posts and contribute to the forums before it becomes available. This rule was set up to avoid spammers abusing the PM feature, but it also has the benefit of helping people to learn a little bit about each other before they get involved with strangers.

-Sonny-
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#16
Sero said:
You are absolutely right about what you said but it's a dilemma. Why I'm saying this is to indicate some points. Let me list them one by one:

- First of all, in my opinion casinos would rather keep the counters out of casino instead of tracking them, unless, of course, they hit casinos so badly like MIT team did.

- Second, let's assume I work for a casino and try to find counters in my area in order to stop them coming to my casino. Considering the numbers of the counters around, what i'm doing would probably make no sense, would it? There are also bunch of other visitor counters coming from out of town.

- Third, again let's assume I work for a casino. What can I possibly do if I catch a counter and what kind of outcome can i generate out of it? Come on, this is not Vegas.

- Fourth, let's assume the person who contacts me is a casino agent. In this case, it's a risk I'm willing to take. I'm not scared or something. He/she may recognize me as a counter and dont let me get in the casino but which casino is it?

-And here is the thing. What if none of these true, I'm not a casino agent, neither is the person who contacts me?

So, i understand the paranoia among the card counters but everything has a cost to pay. The question is if the cost you pay is worth to take the risk. The science of Economics says that if the income(profit) generated is more than the cost paid, then it's worth to take the risk because it's feasible. In this case, I assume there is nothing to lose but to create something that will lead to profit.

After all, at least I'm just trying to do something regardless of what the outcome is going to be. As I said, everything is a risk and the important thing is what if it comes true!

SERO

If I were you, I'd attempt to show folks that I was worth the risk involved with contacting an unknown player. It appears you are looking for value without demonstrating your own worth.
As an example- If I posted that I had found a great comp strategy that needed a team to exploit, a look at my past post would show i take this side of the game pretty seriously and the risk in contacting me is reduced.
If an established member wanted a teamate, we could go thru his posting history and make a judgement call.
What do you have to offer another AP?
 

Sero

Active Member
#17
shadroch said:
If I were you, I'd attempt to show folks that I was worth the risk involved with contacting an unknown player. It appears you are looking for value without demonstrating your own worth.
As an example- If I posted that I had found a great comp strategy that needed a team to exploit, a look at my past post would show i take this side of the game pretty seriously and the risk in contacting me is reduced.
If an established member wanted a teamate, we could go thru his posting history and make a judgement call.
What do you have to offer another AP?
First of all, thanks for the comment and advice shad. I wrote all of the above 2 years ago and a lot of things have changed since then. Here is the story briefly:

I have had a chance to travel all over US past 2 years, from east coast to west coast and made good observations, played many different games. Meanwhile, i also read many books, followed blogs & forums to network with others. I have created a team and we played quite a bit, like 200 hours, mostly in Atlantic City. Some new members joined the team in time by my efforts but due to some problems, we haven't kept going so I turned out to be playing solo again. Now after 2 years, based on all experiences I collected by all means, I'm now going back to west coast to make a living in BJ. I'm planning to stay in Las Vegas for a year and visiting CA time to time for a quick getaway from LV.

I take this business so seriously and I have got what it takes together with a hope of being part of a team because things are much easier and fun. I know that I cannot prove you anything through these lines, because I could be a goddamn spam or agent :) As I everyone adequately put, trust in electronic environment does not exist. I think there is nothing but to hope to come across somewhere out there either on tables or at a party or something ;)

SERO

p.s. I know comps are cash but I always keep my anonymity.
 

Sero

Active Member
#18
Messaging & Quoting Troubles!

SONNY

I understand the system takes precautions to prevent spamming by not letting new users to PM but I'm having troubles on quoting and PMing although I've been a member since 2008.

Also, I created a thread lately, called LIVING IN LAS VEGAS, which I'm sure you are already aware of, in which I can't quote replies. Moreover, when users post or reply something, I can't see them. It's just not visible to me when I get in the thread. I need to get all the way up to the main page and click the thread listed on latest postings list, then I can see the replies.

Can you help? Thank you.

SERO
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#19
Sero said:
having troubles on quoting and PMing although I've been a member since 2008.
PM me with the details (and any error messages you are getting) and I will make sure they get fixed.

-Sonny-
 

Sero

Active Member
#20
Technical Problems

SONNY

I was able to PM you yesterday but not today for some reason. I can see that there is a PM in my inbox but now I just can't get inside. It gives me the same error I mentioned in my PM I sent you yesterday.

Weird thing is that I quoted many messages today but I can't quote yours :(

Could you help me on this here since I can't see your PMs currently?

Thank you.

SERO
 
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