Card counting in quebec

#1
Three locations, Hull (lac-lemay) (across the bridge from Ottawa), Montreal and Charlevoix casino. They are great to play in because you never get any heat. The dealers don't even beleive it is possible to count cards, so nobody ever looks for counters. Here are the rules:

Main floor:
-Tables as low as 10$-500$ and 25$-500$
-8 decks
-Split up to 4 hands
-Doubles after splits
-Dealer hit soft 17
-PLay up to 3 hands
-Double on anything
-Only one card after splitting A's
-80-85% penetration

High limit area:
-Tables 50$-1000$ AND 100-2000$
-6 decks
-Split up to 4 hands
-Doubles after splits
-Dealer stands all 17's
-PLay up to 3 hands
-Double on anything
-Only one card after splitting A's
-75-80% penetration

I also have to mention that there are NO CSM in hull(lac lemay) I don't know about the other ones. The main floor use ASM and high limits is hand shuffled

Everyone should come and play, no stress and a great enviroment. PLease tell me if I forgot anything, thanks.
 

kewljason

Well-Known Member
#3
also for those impatient noobies who saw the movie 21 and just cant wait to get started on the easy road to riches. :laugh: the gambling age is 18 in quebec, 19 in ontario. And for those who play video poker on the side, full payouts on all jackpots. (no holding 20% for your uncle) On the down side, those who drink either for cover or to drown your sorrows, No comped drinks! apparently against canadian law.
 

ricopuno

Active Member
#4
Once I master my technique of writing the running count in a piece of paper inside my pocket for shuuffle tracking then I will definitely go there.

:eyepatch::eyepatch::laugh::laugh::grin::grin:
 

SystemsTrader

Well-Known Member
#5
Haxxilla a couple of questions for you.
Have you been to all three casinos, they are very far apart?
What is the max bet which you have placed in them?
 
#6
SystemsTrader said:
Haxxilla a couple of questions for you.
Have you been to all three casinos, they are very far apart?
What is the max bet which you have placed in them?
No I haven't been to all three. But they are all runned by the same people, goverment operated, so I asume they all run the same. The highest limits I've seen in hull (where I play) is 2000$ for the public. I was told that private rooms can be opened with a limit of up to 45 000$ on one hand. They were telling me stories about some big shot asian guy who was playing this high.
 

Doofus

Well-Known Member
#7
CBJN shows they cut 2 decks off of the 6 deckers, for a 66% pene, not the 85% you talk about. HUGE difference between those two numbers. One is very good, the other is just about worthless.
 

jaredmt

Well-Known Member
#8
lol they dont beleive counting exists!?!? that is just retarded. that cant be true cus otherwise they'd probably have 6 decks or less
 
#9
I play 3 to 5 times a week at the Casino de Montreal. Table minimums are 15, 25, 50.
I play straight and strict BS for their game (6D, DOA, DAS, no surrender, S17)
I play mostly on the 15$ min tables, and some 25$ if it's past 3 am and they shut down the 15's.
Dealers are friendly, apt, and most are very well versed pro's (and straight from what I can tell).
Heat = minimum to none. The pit bosses just seem to hang around, only time I've ever seen them grief anyone it was for non-game play related issues: vulgarity, people arguing over seat markers, ect...)
The penetration is not great. Its avg 2 decks. 1 burn card, but I'm not counting yet, I'm still perfecting my basic game.

It gets really busy around 9pm on weekends and yr gonna have stand around a while if you want a permanent seat at a 15$ table, but if your bankroll can handle it, play the 25 and 50$ tables, they always have room to get in right away and there's always at least one that totally empty. I see a lot of heads up 1 on 1 play.

This casino is quite enjoyable. The staff are polite and fully bi-lingual. The dealers range in age from 20's to 50's but they are all well trained and skilled, and from the very open conversations (in front of the pit bosses) that I've had and heard with some of the older ones, they're pro's (I know for sure at least 5 or 6 of them keep count and study them game intensely). They deal fast and make no mistakes in count and payout.

If you can play here, I recommend it. I've made and continue to make a healthy supplement to my annual income there and I know for sure that they know I'm a system player by now. Too many dealers have commented on and complimented my play and discipline at their tables....which is nice...there's a lot of bad players here, I think they let the system players slide cause they rake it in off the wannabes and gamblers.
 
#10
Lac leamy counting

Hey i too started counting cards at lac leamy and your right no heat at all making good money this month. Maybe we should join up and rake in the $$$$:whip:
 
#14
AcE$dEucE$ said:
been there a few times, i dunno why but for some reason i prefer to go to thousand islands... i guess its just a different atmosphere there.
hey ACE$, i would like to know the condition for thousand island, how many decks, penetration... r the condition better then lac le may, thanks in advance
 
#15
i would say the conditions are MUCH worse. 8 deck game, cut off at 2 decks of course depends on the dealer too... but obviously being a charity casino max bet is 100$, and if you want to play more then one spot, its double the table minimum. Also, they dont have many tables so the ones that are open are usually quite busy. I was there in the summer, had a really nice count (TC +9), but couldnt play more than one spot because table was full:mad:
 

Martin Gayle

Well-Known Member
#16
Counting in the Ottawa/Montreal/Kingston Corridor

Gentlemen, the Quebec game is not a good one. Hence why the dealers and PC's think that counting is impossible. The 1000 Island game is better as they S17. The Ontario game generally is a -0.43% game while the Quebec game is -0.62% game for the BS player.

I have been to Casino de Montreal quite a few times and I have found the conditions less than favourable. It is always full. I don't know what the crowds are like weekday mornings, grave shift etc but I know during the evenings in all seasons you would be hard pressed to be able to find a table. So, for those of us with day jobs make the conditions all but unplayable.

I know they allowed you to play behind other bets in Montreal and Gatineau. But I remember hearing that someone made a table max bet behind someone on a small stakes table and the control player threatened to hit his X,X if he didn't give him half the win and caused a very disruptive brawl on the casino floor. Did this rule change after that or is this just an urban legend? But, playing behind a ploppie in good counts that isn't using CA-BS deviations gives up a some of your edge but depending on the TC still gives +ev.

You should check out the Mohawk Akwesasne Casino in Hogansburg, NY (across from Cornwall). They used to have very liberal rules but just looking at their website they may have reeled back on the good rules. However, from my experience, playing in the USA at remote casinos gives good conditions. I know that $10 tables are common even a peak times (Xmas-New Years week). But I can't comment on heat.

I cannot comment on Charlevoix except that the Quebec rules are generic and the casino is on the North Shore of the St.Lawrence north of Quebec City. Probably 5 hours drive from of Montreal I also understand that is closes overnight. If you are going to drive there, drive to Seneca Allegheny in Syracuse.

Are there any CSM's in Lac Leamy? I think I remember seeing some there in 2006. And what side bets are they using?
 

FLASH1296

Well-Known Member
#19
haxxilla is far off on his estimates of Canadian penetration.

In Canada all casinos deal shallow shoe games because it is unlawful to bar Card Counters; much like Atlantic City.
 

Martin Gayle

Well-Known Member
#20
I concur that Haxilla is way, way off with his praise of the Quebec game. It is a bad game and to get an edge counting would require significant Wonging or bet spread greater than 1-20. He should save his pennies and time and fly somewhere that offers a decent game to hone his skills. If he is under 21 he should fly to Alberta and play there. 18yr olds can have their money in action and that fine province nurtures gambling addictions at a young age.

But I digress...

In some Canadian jurisdictions card counters have been banned. This has happened in Ontario over the last couple years. Casinos in Ontario were granted the Innkeepers Rule and the 4 resort Casino's will use it. I have not heard of any of the gov't owned OLG Casinos banning counters. The resort casinos seem to keep an eye on everyone. I recently went to a Resort Casino in Ontario that I hadn't been to in years, reactivated my card, to discover that I have a surveillance record, I asked the Host what it is about and he didn't tell me but I assume it stems from a non-counting related situation.:laugh:

Canadian law is heavy on its jurisprudence and the Innkeeper's Law has not been challenged in court as of yet. Casino gambling in Ontario and Quebec has only been legal since the mid 1990's and is still in it's infancy legally.

In both the Alberta and Saskatchewan gaming act states in a very, and I paraphrase, "clubs cannot restrict any player from playing within the rules."
Most prairie casinos announce in their house rules that they have the Innkeeper's Law which again, has not been challenged in court to my knowledge in Alb or Sask.

In Manitoba, the casinos that I have been to are municipally operated and the dealers etc, are city employees!!! Again, like the provicially operated casinos in Ontario I have heard of no instances of them barring a counter.

All casinos in Canada WILL bar, cheats, drunks, self-excluders etc.

To this point, I know only the resort casinos in Ontario have barred counters. And it is a shame because the games in Canada are typically dreadful.

BTW - in Canadian prairie dust joints you can still find 80% pen.
 
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