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The cycle ends when people figure things out on their own. Is it such a crime to expect smart people to learn something on their own? Is it so unreasonable to expect people to do a little research and come to their own conclusions instead of spoon-feeding them everything? I worked hard to learn some of the things that I know. I did a lot of research, a lot of math, and a lot of computer programming. I’m not going to spill them on the internet for everyone in the world to see. If people want to learn the really strong techniques they have to earn it.

In this case Brock just wanted to know which games were worth looking at. Now he knows and he can figure the rest out on his own (or privately with other players). I know how frustrating it can be to do all the work and find out that a game is too tough to beat. I don’t mind steering people away from bad games, I just don’t want to give them too much info on the good ones.

But what happens when a casino finds out that Caribbean Stud is beatable with hole carding? Will they start dealing the game differently? Why is Three Card Poker dealt from a special CSM now? Because somebody talked about how it is beatable and the casinos “fixed” it. If I say the Casino War is beatable using indexing then what do you think will happen? Bye bye advantage. Even though I didn’t give any specific information, it was enough to kill the game. You’ve got to be careful when you talk about unpublished methods and unknown games.

In that case everything you need to know is in books. There are plenty of books on card counting, sports betting and poker. If that’s all you want, that’s all you need. You don’t need us at all.

-Sonny-

Foot in mouth?

No epiphany, mon frere? Seems to me that you were very disbelieving on this matter back in Feb. when we were having a very lively discussion regarding this very subject.
Allow me to quote your statements from February 2007 "Dice Control Denounced" thread:
Post # 8-"The requirement to hit the back wall of a (diamond) table basically randomizes any throw..."
Post #13-"You have to understand that for every 6th or 12th roll that you positively influence, how many are you negatively influencing?"
Post #16-"If it really did work, wouldn't the house have countermeasured it by now?.."
There are several more which I can quote, but my fingers are getting overworked. Anyway, back then it was very clear to me that you were under the impression that, in practice, DC was futile. So, therefore, my good Chef, why the turnaround?

I have personal motivations.

Intriguing!

Besides the possible profit potential from publishing (Wow! Do did you guys catch that cool alliteration?) please elucidate for us.

This is beginning to be a personal convo...but I have NO publishing motivation.

My vote is still for an empty craps table and some skillz.

first off, this is a forum, its to discuss things, and sometimes when you ask for A, you run into B C and D also, and end up learning 4x more.. secondly, alls i was saying was that you cant claim a game is beatable, and then be like "i cant tell you".. if there are certain techniques that only a hundred people know (doubtful), and that mentioning them in any way would ruin it, such as something like "the type of shoes most casinos use are flawed in the following ways.." then ya, thats fine, i agree with you..

exactly! and hole carding, biased wheels, and dice control are not something reliably worth looking into, because the hole carding is something that just happens, and is a rare bonus; biased wheels are something that takes a very very long time to analyze, and even then you could still be wrong, and what if they remove the wheel? you have just spent months analyzing when you could have been playing bj; with dice control, there is no way to "look into it".. somebody started a thread on this a while ago and we all agreed (chefjj included) you cant run sims, you cant check to see if its just luck, and things like that, unless you are prepared to throw the dice thousands and thousands of times, in which case fatigue would now have an effect, so would sweat on your hands, and other variables..

what do you mean "finds out its beatable with hole carding".. obviously any card game would be beatable with hole carding.. thats like saying "what if the casinos found out that badly programmed/broken slot machines are beatable".. altho you are right about just saying the method can be bad, think about this.. look at all the ways to beat games that are already in books; how many have they quickly put a stop to? like a 1/3? why doesnt every single casino use CSMs or cover the discard/shoe?.. if you know about a way to beat a game, chances are at least 1000 others do also, and chances are one of those 1000 are gonna spill it on a forum.. its the idea of 2 people cant keep a secret thing.. now if you dont want to be that person, then fine, but no matter what, it will get out, and casinos will get worse.. what is indexing?

i didnt start this thread, remember? i wasnt asking for the games, i was just adding that from the list that somebody posted, i was curious as to why he marked some of them "yes", and if its because it can be beaten thru non-reliable methods, then why did he mark "no" for some of the games that could use those same methods? for instance all the card games should be marked "yes" if your going to include hole carding..

thats all i was saying, because i am pretty sure that the only games in the casino that can be beaten reliably with no help from the casino are card games (if counting cards works, for instance in baccarat it doesnt really help) and +ev vp.. this not only makes sense to me that those are the only +ev games (w/ out comps), but its what i have read in books.. once again, before you say im wrong, i dont consider biased wheels, hole carding, dice control, or illegal methods, as reliable concrete ways to beat a game everytime