Arizona Casinos

monte_vv

Active Member
#1
Does anyone have any recent information on the blackjack conditions in the Phoenix metro area casinos... Casino AZ, Ft McDowell, Talking Stick, Lone Butte, Wild Horse Pass, Vee Quiva.

The only one I've been to thus far is Ft McDowell but it has been some time ago. Thanks
 
#2
Im located in Tucson AZ like one hour away from phoenix. They're like 4 casinos within 15 min from me. As far as play i like them, the rules are good Just dont go there on the weekends cause you wont find a table.
 
#4
I live in Arizona, I just always go to Nevada because I know certain casinos I like.

If I knew which ones were decent here, I'd probably go to those ones.
 

farmdoggy

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#6
Omega34 said:
Desert diamond casino seems to be the only worthwhile place in AZ
If in Tucson, it depends on the type of player you are, and what you hope to gain... Both tribes offer a great game, but I found that the info in the BJInsider newsletter is out of date.

Desert Diamond Casino:
This place is probably the best option for a basic strategy player who doesn't care too much about comps. The games offered here are 6D S17 DA2 DAS RSA with penetration of about 1.25/6 for the $5 min game and for a $25 min game they offer the same pen on average, but out of 3 decks. The comp points offered are absolute poop, but you can use your comp points for cash back, or a stay at their hotel if need be. The house edge here is technically lower for the basic strategy player, but comps are worse.

Casino del Sol:
My favorite place offers a 6D H17 DA2 DAS RSA LS on their $5 minumum game and the same rules on their 3D game for a $25 minimum. The penetration is much better here with only 0.5 decks cut out of each shoe. In addition, the points are better, and you can use them for beer, which you cannot at the diamond. In addition, they do not have a hotel (but one is opening at the end of the year), nor can you redeem your points for cash. If you are a sushi lover however, you can use comp points at An del Sol, which I have recently decided is the best sushi in Tucson. Just try their toro, which is offered at market price. I "payed" $15 in comp points for two pieces of fish, which was not only the best fish I've ever had in my life, but comes sprinkled with 24 karat gold... The taste of gold is good!!! (Or so I found :laugh:).

Enjoy your stay at either place, I've found that the game quality of either is superior to most games in Vegas.

PS: If you are a card counter, DO NOT play at the Desert Diamond on I19 between Green Valley and Tucson... They cut off 2 out of 6D here... Or at least, they did for me ;) I have yet to see any other card counter here in Tucson, so if they want to lose money by being paranoid and slowing the game down, let them.
 
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Doggy

farmdoggy said:
If in Tucson, it depends on the type of player you are, and what you hope to gain... Both tribes offer a great game, but I found that the info in the BJInsider newsletter is out of date.

Desert Diamond Casino:
This place is probably the best option for a basic strategy player who doesn't care too much about comps. The games offered here are 6D S17 DA2 DAS RSA with penetration of about 1.25/6 for the $5 min game and for a $25 min game they offer the same pen on average, but out of 3 decks. The comp points offered are absolute poop, but you can use your comp points for cash back, or a stay at their hotel if need be. The house edge here is technically lower for the basic strategy player, but comps are worse.

Casino del Sol:
My favorite place offers a 6D H17 DA2 DAS RSA LS on their $5 minumum game and the same rules on their 3D game for a $25 minimum. The penetration is much better here with only 0.5 decks cut out of each shoe. In addition, the points are better, and you can use them for beer, which you cannot at the diamond. In addition, they do not have a hotel (but one is opening at the end of the year), nor can you redeem your points for cash. If you are a sushi lover however, you can use comp points at An del Sol, which I have recently decided is the best sushi in Tucson. Just try their toro, which is offered at market price. I "payed" $15 in comp points for two pieces of fish, which was not only the best fish I've ever had in my life, but comes sprinkled with 24 karat gold... The taste of gold is good!!! (Or so I found :laugh:).

Enjoy your stay at either place, I've found that the game quality of either is superior to most games in Vegas.

PS: If you are a card counter, DO NOT play at the Desert Diamond on I19 between Green Valley and Tucson... They cut off 2 out of 6D here... Or at least, they did for me ;) I have yet to see any other card counter here in Tucson, so if they want to lose money by being paranoid and slowing the game down, let them.
Nice report, thanks.

CP
 

NightStalker

Well-Known Member
#8
add-on

farmdoggy said:
If in Tucson, it depends on the type of player you are, and what you hope to gain... Both tribes offer a great game, but I found that the info in the BJInsider newsletter is out of date.

Desert Diamond Casino:
This place is probably the best option for a basic strategy player who doesn't care too much about comps. The games offered here are 6D S17 DA2 DAS RSA with penetration of about 1.25/6 for the $5 min game and for a $25 min game they offer the same pen on average, but out of 3 decks. The comp points offered are absolute poop, but you can use your comp points for cash back, or a stay at their hotel if need be. The house edge here is technically lower for the basic strategy player, but comps are worse.

Casino del Sol:
My favorite place offers a 6D H17 DA2 DAS RSA LS on their $5 minumum game and the same rules on their 3D game for a $25 minimum. The penetration is much better here with only 0.5 decks cut out of each shoe. In addition, the points are better, and you can use them for beer, which you cannot at the diamond. In addition, they do not have a hotel (but one is opening at the end of the year), nor can you redeem your points for cash. If you are a sushi lover however, you can use comp points at An del Sol, which I have recently decided is the best sushi in Tucson. Just try their toro, which is offered at market price. I "payed" $15 in comp points for two pieces of fish, which was not only the best fish I've ever had in my life, but comes sprinkled with 24 karat gold... The taste of gold is good!!! (Or so I found :laugh:).

Enjoy your stay at either place, I've found that the game quality of either is superior to most games in Vegas.

PS: If you are a card counter, DO NOT play at the Desert Diamond on I19 between Green Valley and Tucson... They cut off 2 out of 6D here... Or at least, they did for me ;) I have yet to see any other card counter here in Tucson, so if they want to lose money by being paranoid and slowing the game down, let them.
desert diamond southgale: same game as desert diamond north. they are hesitant to black action. they probably cut 2-deck only to suspected card-counter.
del-sol: quick to backoff at 3d and will put you in book. comps are better at desert..

phx: pen is 1.4-2decks, 12+ tables, rules are h17,ds,rsa.. gila casinos..
 

farmdoggy

Well-Known Member
#9
NightStalker said:
desert diamond southgale: same game as desert diamond north. they are hesitant to black action. they probably cut 2-deck only to suspected card-counter.
Maybe so, but it's easier to get noticed at the South location... They only have 2 small pits... Lotta old people too, games progress slow.

NightStalker said:
del-sol: quick to backoff at 3d and will put you in book. comps are better at desert...
Both 3D games can easily be beaten with a 1-6 spread. A 1-8 spread makes at least $65/100 hands on average with a $25 unit. They are sensitive to "black" action yes, especially if one is spreading, but they don't treat 4 green chips the same as they do a black... Also, you'll get less heat by keeping an eye on the amount you place on one spot ;)

How do you figure comps are better at the desert:confused: Maybe they just know me too well :mad:
 

NightStalker

Well-Known Member
#10
Desert offered me insta suite/show and cashback even when

while i was winning.. On the other hand, del sol offering some dummy points despite my huge losses at del sol.. There are plenty of black action at both locations but (sidebet+mainbet)<=table max...


farmdoggy said:
Maybe so, but it's easier to get noticed at the South location... They only have 2 small pits... Lotta old people too, games progress slow.



Both 3D games can easily be beaten with a 1-6 spread. A 1-8 spread makes at least $65/100 hands on average with a $25 unit. They are sensitive to "black" action yes, especially if one is spreading, but they don't treat 4 green chips the same as they do a black... Also, you'll get less heat by keeping an eye on the amount you place on one spot ;)

How do you figure comps are better at the desert:confused: Maybe they just know me too well :mad:
 
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