When is enough enough for a Casino?

#1
Hi Guys,

I am a very rudimentary card counter, and I am up around 160k for the year (i just started betting bigger this year) when will enough be enough at my favorite vegas casino? ATM they keep inviting me back comping rooms, food , shows etc.. and I go around 8 to 12 times a year. I am not a whale by anymeans, I don't have a line of credit setup and I only bring cash with me.

Also how much better could my game get with real card counting and how long till they kick me out LOL.

FYI my bankroll is 20k

MrWoofer
 
#3
Wow!

You are up 160K with a 20K bankroll and want to know if you can make more $$ by "really" counting?

Keep doing whatever you're doing. You're either doing something right or you've had one heck of a streak...

mrwoofer said:
Hi Guys,

I am a very rudimentary card counter, and I am up around 160k for the year (i just started betting bigger this year) when will enough be enough at my favorite vegas casino? ATM they keep inviting me back comping rooms, food , shows etc.. and I go around 8 to 12 times a year. I am not a whale by anymeans, I don't have a line of credit setup and I only bring cash with me.

Also how much better could my game get with real card counting and how long till they kick me out LOL.

FYI my bankroll is 20k

MrWoofer
 
#7
Nobody actually answered my question. LOL I was just in vegas last week. Lost 5k the first day (my max daily loosing limit) skipped a day, then won back my 5 and then 10k more. Then the day after that before my flight, I sat down with 2800 and won 15k more.
 
#10
I get it...

So Mr. Woofer, are you green chipping/light black using 20K as your bankroll figure, or are you strictly a black chipper and using a 50 - 60K number for your bankroll?

If you have a host at the place you are staying and playing you may be protected a little, sounds like you do. If you keep consistently winning though, you are gonna be asked not to play anymore. Who knows when, next trip or a year from now, it depends on the floor crew, surveillance, and how you rate on a skills test when they run one on you. If they feel you are just "getting lucky" you can bet those marketing offers will keep coming in, they're counting on a big loss on your part eventually.

If you are putting 20K into play once a month at the same place, depending upon how long you play and which store you are at you might be a whale and not know it.

Think like this: If your average bet is $150.00 and you are playing 60 hands per hour, you are putting $9,000.00 per hour in play. If you play like that 4 hours a day your moving $36,000.00 a day around on that table. If you play for 4 days on a trip you've had $144,000.00 in play. Do that 12 times a year and you are now playing almost 2 million a year at that store. ($1,728,000.00). Heck I'd give you a room and a buffet too, lol.
 
#12
I only ever go with 20K and i usually buy in 10K at a time in $500 chips. Yes i have a casino host and I just call up and say I'm coming and a room is waiting and a limo to pick me up at the airport. I typically play anywhere from 4 to 12 hrs a trip depending on how things go. Sometimes it takes me 45min to win 15k other times it takes me hours to win 10k. I know I'm not a whale, I have seen guys with $50,000 markers and people with private jets playing with me at the same table. I played next to johnny chan once after he got knocked out of the world tourny, now that was interesting ;)

So if I up my game and start getting serious about AP at this level, I'll probably get asked to leave then yea?
 

Katweezel

Well-Known Member
#18
mrwoofer said:
Hi Guys,

I am a very rudimentary card counter, and I am up around 160k for the year (i just started betting bigger this year) when will enough be enough at my favorite vegas casino? ATM they keep inviting me back comping rooms, food , shows etc.. and I go around 8 to 12 times a year. I am not a whale by anymeans, I don't have a line of credit setup and I only bring cash with me.

Also how much better could my game get with real card counting and how long till they kick me out LOL.

FYI my bankroll is 20k

MrWoofer
Gee, I'd always hoped it was so easy winning big bucks at this game... In the movie '21' Ben made 300k and stashed it above his bed. You make about half that in one year and at least have the brains to stash it in your bank. (I take it you are smarter than the average MIT math dude...:grin:)

Pardon me for being a little cynical, but apart from movies, there have been instances where certain interests have used people to perpetuate the myth that anyone can get rich quick from counting cards at blackjack. Not that I'm suggesting that you could be a plant... Hang on, I just suggested that. Sorry. (I been wrong many times as well.)
 

UK-21

Well-Known Member
#19
Can I chip in my two bob's worth?

There is a lot of scepticism about your claim of being up £160K for playing what you have said is a max of 144hrs (12 trips x 12 hours per trip) in the year. That's over $1,000 an hour. Even a seasoned advantage player with an expectation of taking 2 units an hour would have to be betting $500 a unit. If you only take $20K to the tables, that would be only 40 units if you bet at this level, and over a 12 hour session, not counting but playing perfect basic strategy, you would have a very high risk of tapping out.

The are a lot of very maths-savvy contributors to this forum, who have analysed the game to the nth degree. The sums just don't stack up.

Do you keep comprehensive records of your play, wins, losses, etc?
 
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