A Question for the Online BJ Pro's

jay28

Well-Known Member
#1
I've just open an account with an online casino and am currently playing:-

6D, S17, DAS No S. Peek. Stakes £1 - £100 ($2 - $200) max of 3 spots
(Which appears to be their best game)

As this is my first attempt I have only invested £100 ($200).

This Casino is offering a first time bonus of £100 ($200) with a £2500 ($5000) wagering requirement. I calculate this to give me an increased advantage of 4%. Minus the house edge 0.44% so my actual advantage is 3.56% ?

So I expect to profit by £89 ($178) give or take.

(Hope these figures are correct)

So anyway, I have been playing table min £1 ($2) on one spot per hand but I'm finding the casino site is slow (I have a decent internet connection), each time I click a button to hit, stand, double, etc or if the dealer requests a card etc. there is a few seconds delay. I have timed how long it take to play 100 hand and its took my just over an hour.

So to play the £2500 ($5000) requirement. It is going to take me 26hrs and I would expect to make £3.42 ($6.84) per hour - Hardly worth the hassle?

I am able to play up to 3 spots, which does increase game speed but only on the dealers actions and first deal, this put speed up by about a third. I am not able to play more than 1 table at once.

So anyway my question, How do I get my expected hourly profit up?

Should I increase my bets and increase my ROR?
Should I play 1, 2 or 3 spots?
Should I play many casino sites at once?
Should I look for better bonuses?

All advice is appreciated.
 

UK-21

Well-Known Member
#2
Try this one if in the UK . . .

Try playing at the Galacasino online. Signup bonus of £50.00. All you have to do is bet-through £1,250 of your own funds. I kicked off with a £25.00 deposit and qualified by playing £1.00 a hand on the single deck (European no holecard) game. At a blast you can play 250 hands per hour, and you have 30 days to make the wagering requirement.

Also, you can qualify for a 100% monthly top up bonus of up to a max of £100.00. The WR is 25 times the bonus you qualify
for. So if you top up with £50.00 each month, you'll need to bet-through £1,250. At the same play rate of £250.00 per hour that works out at £10.00 per hour earnings - assuming, of course, your original stake is intact and the run of play reflects the long term house edge of less than 1%.

So, if you were to sign-up with a £50.00 stake (50 units) and be successful in achieving the £50.00 bonus for a 25 unit loss or better, compounding this with a subsequent £25.00 stake would leave you with a session BR of 100+ units to play for the £25 monthly bonus. With 100+ BUs the risk of blowing out will be greatly reduced, against just playing with the monthly top-up equivalent of 25BUs alone. For the £25.00 bonus you would only have to wager £625.00 - 625 hands over roughly two and a half hours? You can do the sums yourself to calculate the likelihood of losing all 100+ units over 625 hands - visit the Wizard of Odds website where there's a calculator that works out returns and risk of ruin somewhere. Remember to adjust BS for a single deck game with no-hole card. You can also play up to five hands at once to speed up the play-through.

For info, the customer support at galacasinos.co.uk is second to none and as an established UK brand, there's little likelihood of not being able to draw any winnings you may make.

Best of luck. Let us know how you get on.

Newb99.
 
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jay28

Well-Known Member
#3
Thanks for the info Newb99, I'll give gala a try and let you know how I get on.

I did manage to speed thing up on the other site. I think either the site was very busy or I had a bad connection when I first played, later play did speed up dramatically

Anyway, I managed to play the 2500 hands in under 6 hours by playing 3 spots wagering the table min of £1. I didn't do as well as I expected, I had a really bad run and nearly lost all of my £100 deposit. Things picked up and on completion of WR I had £53.50. I have just recieved my new customer bonus of £100 today and of course lady luck owes me about £25 :laugh: so quite please with my first trial run.

I would like to try playing online semi-pro, my goal would be to earn £150+ per day, but it seems to me that I would need a lot of sites and/or a lot of borrowed identities to do this. I've looked at a few other UK sites but many seem to have a large WR which makes bonus play not profitable enough.

Does anybody know of other sites offering good bonuses, preferably UK based? Or have any suggestions on how I can reach my goal?
 

UK-21

Well-Known Member
#4
William Hill offer similar sign-up and monthly top-up bonuses to Gala, but all of their BJ games are 8 deck. I think this will significantly increase the risk of variation and going bust on a modest buy-in, although I'm not able to offer any maths to back this up.

The other issue is that the bonus award, once qualified for, is credited to a "bonus" account, and has to be turned-over 30 times (I think) before it can be withdrawn. So with a bonus of £25.00, you'll have to bet-through £750.00. The risks of losing it all, with an 8 deck shoe, will be high. Although you have achieved the WR, you may find you end up losing the bonus in trying to play it out of the system. Also, the T&Cs dictate that cash balances are always played out first, so in order to turnover any bonus balance it would be necessary to either lose all of the cash balance or buy-in, play a little, then cash-out in order to turn-over the bonus balance (although by doing so before the current bonus WR is achieved you could be voiding your bonus entitlement anyway? - didn't look at that). This seems to be the common approach of most places, probably because they are using the same base software.

Personally I won't bother with any offer where a bonus, once achieved, can't be withdrawn without having to be played-through. Contrary to the views of my good lady I do have a life, and for the sake of fifty quid a month, or possibly every other month, I just can't be ar$ed.

Chin chin.

Newb99

PS - I did play the one-hour challenge at the Spin Palace a couple of weeks ago, and ended up over forty quid up. But same conditions as above. Just too much hassle to go through in order to collect it. But you may disagree?
 
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UK-21

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#5
As an adjunct to my earlier posting, this afternoon I thought I have a go at hitting the current monthly top-up promo at Gala. Credited my account with fifty quid (50 units), and with a balance already there had 64 units to play with. Aiming to reach 1,250 hands.

Well, I didn't. Early on in the two and a half hour or so session I was up to 15 units up, but ending up losing all 64 units before hitting the WR.

On the basis that I played around 1,000 hands, the Wizard of Odds website (http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix12.html) shows the likelihood of this occurring as just around 10%. Despite this, the Missus is not in the slightest bit impressed.

Newb99
 
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#6
Hmmm...i personally hate the bonuses...I find i make much more by making a daily small deposit say 50$ and playing with it.

Most of the time ill turn it into at least 200 , today i made 700.

All I can say from experience is that when I have made money from my 50 i withdraw it and start again the next day with 50 because the winning and going up to 700 from 50 makes me too confident and if i keep it in the account or carry on playing ill blow it.

At the moment its not a definite money maker since ive been doing it for 2 weeks online so i want to test it for at least 6 months.
 

ranran

Well-Known Member
#7
polypoop said:
Hmmm...i personally hate the bonuses...I find i make much more by making a daily small deposit say 50$ and playing with it.

Most of the time ill turn it into at least 200 , today i made 700.

All I can say from experience is that when I have made money from my 50 i withdraw it and start again the next day with 50 because the winning and going up to 700 from 50 makes me too confident and if i keep it in the account or carry on playing ill blow it.

At the moment its not a definite money maker since I've been doing it for 2 weeks online so i want to test it for at least 6 months.
While I'm not playing for real money I've been trying a system that I hope to use when I finally play for "Real Money." Here it is-

1) I set up an account "for fun" with $250 (no bonuses)
2) Start betting $5 a hand
3) Play until I've won approximately $50 each day
4) Repeat above process at 3 more casinos. This means I'm playing at 4 casinos and winning $50 per day from each.
5) Play for a week and then withdraw all winnings, leaving the initial deposit of $250.

NOTE- When I do this for real, I will start with only 1 casino and an initial deposit of $250. The funding of other casinos will come from the profits made at the original casino.

I've been at this for a month and I'm averaging double my target ($400 a day) which is nearly 3K a week. I hope that it goes this well when I play for real.
 
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Sonny

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#8
ranran said:
This means I'm playing at 4 casinos and winning $50 per day from each.
Or losing $250 per day at each. Remember, the house still has the advantage. The more you bet, the more you should expect to lose.

-Sonny-
 

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
#9
polypoop and ranran, your ideas are pure voodoo and won't work. you need to exploit the bonuses if you're going to get an advantage online.
 

ranran

Well-Known Member
#10
Sonny said:
Or losing $250 per day at each. Remember, the house still has the advantage. The more you bet, the more you should expect to lose.

-Sonny-
If I loose more than $125, I simply stop and log in later. This works well....so far. Your advice is well taken
 

ranran

Well-Known Member
#11
EasyRhino said:
polypoop and ranran, your ideas are pure voodoo and won't work. you need to exploit the bonuses if you're going to get an advantage online.
Since I'm Wiccan, voodoo is a sideways move, kinda;) However, it works fine so far.
 

Sonny

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#12
ranran said:
If I loose more than $125, I simply stop and log in later.
That just means you'll be taking a break more often than if you were waiting until -$250 to quit. Your overall results will not change. I'm glad to hear that you have been winning money, but you shouldn't expect your good luck to continue.

-Sonny-
 
#13
Counting and Online BJ?

Hello, plz advice. I am practicing for a run at the Conneticut casinos and have been practicing online.

I had assumed that, other than for a rare 1D game, that all other online BJ games are newly shuffled after each hand and therefor, no possible way to count - thus you always have the house adv against you. Is this true? Because, if they do play through, and if you can keep accurate count (by making notes) then player seems to have huge advantage.
 

HarryKuntz

Well-Known Member
#14
micbravo said:
Hello, plz advice. I am practicing for a run at the Conneticut casinos and have been practicing online.

I had assumed that, other than for a rare 1D game, that all other online BJ games are newly shuffled after each hand and therefor, no possible way to count - thus you always have the house adv against you. Is this true? Because, if they do play through, and if you can keep accurate count (by making notes) then player seems to have huge advantage.
Most online games are shuffled after every hand. However, there are multiplayer and live games which are not. These games are still worthless as the Pen is usally only between 25-50%, even if you had software running something like thorpe's ultimate count, you still wouldn't pull much, if any kind of an advantage without have a very high spread and ROR.

The best way to get an advantage online is by bonus play.
 

ranran

Well-Known Member
#15
The best way to get an advantage online is by bonus play.
IF, the more you play the more you lose, doesn't it stand to reason that the losses would be increased exponentially?

Example -

You deposit $50 and get a bonus of $50 you now have $100.
WR is usually 40X deposit + bonus.
You now must now wager $4000 without busting
So how can you make a profit?
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#16
ranran said:
IF, the more you play the more you lose, doesn't it stand to reason that the losses would be increased exponentially?
No, they increase linearly...unless you are raising your bets as you play.

ranran said:
You deposit $50 and get a bonus of $50 you now have $100.
WR is usually 40X deposit + bonus.
You now must now wager $4000 without busting
So how can you make a profit?
You give them $4000 in action against a 0.3% house edge. You expect to lose $12. You keep $38 of your deposit and the entire $50 bonus. You just made $38 profit.

-Sonny-
 

HarryKuntz

Well-Known Member
#17
Sonny said:
You give them $4000 in action against a 0.3% house edge. You expect to lose $12. You keep $38 of your deposit and the entire $50 bonus. You just made $38 profit.

-Sonny-
Good answer Sonny, but you must tell me who offers bonuses with house edge of only 0.3% ???
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#18
HarryKuntz said:
Good answer Sonny, but you must tell me who offers bonuses with house edge of only 0.3% ???
I haven't played online in about 2 years, but I remember it used to be fairly typical to find SD H17 ENHC rules at most casinos back then.

-Sonny-
 

HarryKuntz

Well-Known Member
#19
Sonny said:
I haven't played online in about 2 years, but I remember it used to be fairly typical to find SD H17 ENHC rules at most casinos back then.

-Sonny-
I see, I don't think that many online casino's offer 1D games for bonuses anymore but then again I only play on credible european sites with good reputations, so I could be wrong. I normally have to settle for 0.5-0.6% house edge but thats not so bad if you can find WR of only 25-35x deposit only.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
#20
Sonny said:
I haven't played online in about 2 years, but I remember it used to be fairly typical to find SD H17 ENHC rules at most casinos back then.-Sonny-
I used to play a SD S17 ENHC game with a HA of 0.1% lol.

Made you really hate real-life BJ :)
 
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