hierarchy sticky

Harman

Well-Known Member
#1
This is just a quick suggestion but would it be possible to put a sticky or thread showing how to get to each status in the blackjackinfo hierarchy, like Senior Member etc. This way the top dogs get more respect and it helps new members know who to ask and what they should aim for :)
 

RJT

Well-Known Member
#2
Harman said:
This is just a quick suggestion but would it be possible to put a sticky or thread showing how to get to each status in the blackjackinfo hierarchy, like Senior Member etc. This way the top dogs get more respect and it helps new members know who to ask and what they should aim for :)
It's all based on the number of posts that you make and frankly the number of posts that you make says little about your knowledge or experience with the game.
Best advice is just to read and decide who you think makes good points. Personally, if you have a serious question there are a couple of people that i'd recommend asking; Sonny and Bojack1. Both very knowledgable and i can vouch for their practical experience playing the game.

RJT.
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#3
RJT said:
It's all based on the number of posts that you make and frankly the number of posts that you make says little about your knowledge or experience with the game.
Agreed

RJT said:
Both very knowledgable and i can vouch for their practical experience playing the game.

RJT.
But who's going to vouch for you? :confused:
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
#4
21forme said:
But who's going to vouch for you? :confused:
I certainly would put RJT in that group but then again what would that matter? :)

I wish they all would post more often. They're as real as you can get is my impression.

I'd especially love to hear more about, maybe in broad terms anyway, just how they go about preparing for a trip or a game. What use, if any, they make of diaries, how often they may make entries, etc. Sticking to a betting plan or deviating from it.

Or, if that's too personal, maybe even just what they would recommend as a minimum for what someone should do to be prepared as best as possible before betting his money and what to do while betting his money and what's maybe needed to be done as the months and years go by.
 

RJT

Well-Known Member
#5
21forme said:
But who's going to vouch for you? :confused:
Barring Bojack, no-one here's ever seen me play or infact ever met me - so i guess the answer is no-one.
But then if you've spent any time reading the posts that these two make, it shouldn't be difficult to pick out their knowledge and experience....

RJT.
 

RJT

Well-Known Member
#6
Kasi said:
I certainly would put RJT in that group but then again what would that matter? :)

I wish they all would post more often. They're as real as you can get is my impression.
Thanks very much.

Kasi said:
I'd especially love to hear more about, maybe in broad terms anyway, just how they go about preparing for a trip or a game. What use, if any, they make of diaries, how often they may make entries, etc. Sticking to a betting plan or deviating from it.
To be honest with you Kasi, my time in the casinos has been far more limited since i came back from my trip to the states last summer. Where i used to get out twice a week, i don't now. Instead i've been focusing on training up a couple of people to play a couple of games and building a decent sized bankroll of my own. It's taking time, and it's frustrating as i'm constantly itchy to get back out and do some serious playing on a more regular basis, but with patience i'll be in a far better position to do that.
As it stands, i am involved in a few different advantage plays that are generating fairly large sums of cash at the moment - all going into the bankroll as i'm very aware these opportunities aren't going to last very long. I keep a very detailed log of exactly what i do, making an entry at the end of every playing session. I've also got a few investors involved in this, so it's absolutely crucial that i keep records that show every result. They're all friends and family, but that makes me all the more keen to insure that they don't at any point feel that there is anything dishonest going on.
I tend to stick very ridgedly to the betting scheme that i've determined before play. Over or under betting is simply not efficient and cover play does have it's uses, but you have to be very aware of how much it costs you and what you hope to gain out of it.

Kasi said:
Or, if that's too personal, maybe even just what they would recommend as a minimum for what someone should do to be prepared as best as possible before betting his money and what to do while betting his money and what's maybe needed to be done as the months and years go by.
It's simple - be as good as you can be. If you were going to invest a large sum of money in a company, would you be prepared to just pick one at random, or would you do the research first and make sure that you'd choosen one that you were confident would grow your investment substantially? The answer to that for most of us is obvious. Treat your time playing in the same way. If you are going to invest money in this - and actually expect any decent return - take the time, do the research and make sure you've got the skills to invest in. Remember, if you're serious about making money and not just getting a little entertainment - this is an investment so you should treat it as such.
Make sure you are 100% confident in everything that you do. The more accurate you are with all aspects of your game, the less you'll have to think about them and the easier it is to move beyond the basics.
As time goes by, don't let yourself become stagnent - if you are completely comfortable counting, look for other opportunities. It's very easy at times to focus on how bad a particular game is for counting purposes and completely miss the fact that there are other opportunites that could potentially generate far greater advantage. If you don't look for them you won't see them.
I'm still very much a learner and i hope that that continues for many years to come. As long as there is something new out there to explore, this will never become dull.

RJT.
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#8
RJT said:
Barring Bojack, no-one here's ever seen me play or infact ever met me - so i guess the answer is no-one.
But then if you've spent any time reading the posts that these two make, it shouldn't be difficult to pick out their knowledge and experience....

RJT.
I was being facetious. That's why the smiley. I've been here long enough to know of your play with Bojack and the knowledge you possess.
 

RJT

Well-Known Member
#9
21forme said:
I was being facetious. That's why the smiley. I've been here long enough to know of your play with Bojack and the knowledge you possess.
Lol, sorry - i've not been posting much recently, guess my message board radar is slipping :p

RJT.
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#10
RJT said:
.......
It's simple - be as good as you can be. If you were going to invest a large sum of money in a company, would you be prepared to just pick one at random, or would you do the research first and make sure that you'd choosen one that you were confident would grow your investment substantially? The answer to that for most of us is obvious. Treat your time playing in the same way. If you are going to invest money in this - and actually expect any decent return - take the time, do the research and make sure you've got the skills to invest in. Remember, if you're serious about making money and not just getting a little entertainment - this is an investment so you should treat it as such.
Make sure you are 100% confident in everything that you do. The more accurate you are with all aspects of your game, the less you'll have to think about them and the easier it is to move beyond the basics.
......

RJT.
i don't think i'm allowed to post here lol.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=83154&postcount=41
 

RJT

Well-Known Member
#11
Lol - perhaps that was a poorly chosen example.
The fact that most well read card counters have a better understanding of Risk and Variance than your average professional investor is a very valid point, but i'm sure you can see the concept that i was driving at.

RJT.
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#12
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Kasi

Well-Known Member
#13
RJT said:
....I keep a very detailed log of exactly what i do, making an entry at the end of every playing session. I've also got a few investors involved in this, so it's absolutely crucial that i keep records that show every result....
I tend to stick very ridgedly to the betting scheme that i've determined before play. Over or under betting is simply not efficient and cover play does have it's uses, but you have to be very aware of how much it costs you and what you hope to gain out of it.
Thanks RJT, much appreciated - that pretty much covers it for me.

Every once in a while I need a reality check and wonder if my perception of reality from my ivory tower is completely nuts lol.

Hats off to you and thanks again.

Even I knew 21forme was joshing lol!
 
#14
RJT said:
Lol - perhaps that was a poorly chosen example.
The fact that most well read card counters have a better understanding of Risk and Variance than your average professional investor is a very valid point, but i'm sure you can see the concept that i was driving at.

RJT.
I don't think we have a better understanding of risk. Just that for us variance is completely objective while in corporate investing it's more subjective. A company's product could go out of fashion or its CEO could turn out to be a crook, who can predict that? At least our cards can only fall in a limited and fully statistically predictable set of combinations, with deterministic outcome.
 

blackchipjim

Well-Known Member
#15
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I would think with knowledge and experience and of course the actual time that you put in playing wherever would be factors to consider. You may have huge bankroll and the knowledge to really be a threat to the casinos but can't convey the theories of becoming what you are to others. Alot of people on this site have the knowledge and savey to great aps and alot already are. It would be in my humble oppinion that everyone has some knowledge to add to the knowledge pool so that all may learn. The forum is open to all in the community and we all know we are all quick to correct misinformation. blackchipjim:devil:
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#16
Automatic Monkey said:
I don't think we have a better understanding of risk. Just that for us variance is completely objective while in corporate investing it's more subjective. A company's product could go out of fashion or its CEO could turn out to be a crook, who can predict that? At least our cards can only fall in a limited and fully statistically predictable set of combinations, with deterministic outcome.
so as far as cards i get your point.
brings up a question. like for tc frequencies for some game say. well the question is ok we have a distribution of expected tc frequencies but are there any studies that give one an idea of how those tc frequencies present according to some rate over time?
 
#17
sagefr0g said:
...ok we have a distribution of expected tc frequencies but are there any studies that give one an idea of how those tc frequencies present according to some rate over time?
Say what, Professor Corey? zg
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#18
zengrifter said:
Say what, Professor Corey? zg
lol Professor Corey. ya lost me there. probably some movie character i guess.
i was just wondering if it's known how the known true count frequency distribution of some pack presents over time. i mean we know what percentages of any given true count is going to present in the long run. so i was wondering how over time those percentages are established with respect to time. if it's known. heck as far as i know it's a chaotic mishmash or perhaps there is a more orderly way that the true counts present as pack after pack is dealt out. at least one thing we know the true count always starts at zero. i'd think a good chance of the next might be -1 or +1 maybe -2 or +2. what ever then it might go back to zero or what ever. i guess i'd expect the true counts that represent a higher percentage of the distribution to present more often than the lesser over time. just wondering how it tends to happen if it tends in any particular way. would seem interesting to know how it might tend to play out on a pack by pack basis or over time for some rate of dealing what ever. a true count rate of change sort of thing.
just curious if it's known how that all tends to play out however.
i know the true count percentages make up a normal distribution in the long run for a given pack to be dealt.
 
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rukus

Well-Known Member
#19
sagefr0g said:
lol Professor Corey. ya lost me there. probably some movie character i guess.
i was just wondering if it's known how the known true count frequency distribution of some pack presents over time. i mean we know what percentages of any given true count is going to present in the long run. so i was wondering how over time those percentages are established with respect to time. if it's known. heck as far as i know it's a chaotic mishmash or perhaps there is a more orderly way that the true counts present as pack after pack is dealt out. at least one thing we know the true count always starts at zero. i'd think a good chance of the next might be -1 or +1 maybe -2 or +2. what ever then it might go back to zero or what ever. i guess i'd expect the true counts that represent a higher percentage of the distribution to present more often than the lesser over time. just wondering how it tends to happen if it tends in any particular way. would seem interesting to know how it might tend to play out on a pack by pack basis or over time for some rate of dealing what ever. a true count rate of change sort of thing.
just curious if it's known how that all tends to play out however.
i know the true count percentages make up a normal distribution in the long run for a given pack to be dealt.
it is random with respect to time, though obviously you wont get a +12 TC on the first hand dealt so there are some limitations like that. see this page from QFIT's ebook. basically you can expect "mini" random distributions around 0 but with different min/max TCs for each "mini" distribution depending on depth level of the pack. so for example, using the first picture in that link, 1 deck into a 6D shoe, you might see a normal TC distribution from -8 to 8, where the TC randomly varies between those 2 endpoints within 1D's worth of play. but it is still random.

if it were anything else but random you would be able to take advantage of it....
 
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