card counting team

#1
hello all, i have been reading, researching and practising card counting techniques for some months now and i would like to seek out card counters from my area for purpose of practice, trading technique knowledge and possibly forming a team. i live in adelaide, however even if your not from my area this thread could serve the purpose of helping other cc's such as me find ppl in their respective areas!

Thank you!
 
#3
hey im from perth...and wouldnt mind having a chat... nightfoxx ive pm'ed you... also "imjustnew" if u want to chat about an aussie team then pm me ... im only starting but i am really interested :D
 

aussiecounter

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#4
Hmmm, team.....

I think I could organise/train a pretty good team of my own.

My girlfriend is finishing an engineering degree, so she's very intelligent, and I pretty well taught her Basic Strategy in an hour or so at Starcity while playing blackjack, so I think she'd go alright.
Her sister is doing her HSC at the moment, and she is doing what I'd call 4unit Mathematics(not sure if they call it that anymore), which for those who don't know is about as high a level of Maths that you can do at school.
Also, there are several likely candidates in my girlfriend's course, including several different races and backgrounds. I've already got all the classic roles assigned to different people (spotter, back-spotter, gorilla and big player).

I think I might have to just train up my girlfriend in Basic Strategy for now, so I can back count or count at table and get her to just Wong in at the right time.
 
#5
team

hello again,
i have looked at many team scenarios and how well they could work, i also know many smart people near where i live but am finding it hard to convince them that bj and cc is worth the time effort and the money... any ideas on convincing?

your wonging in team method would be good for practice and a bit of fun to consolidate your skills but remember that with say a 2 person team, as you described in your post, to be fair you'd split the profits 50/50 so in order to be making enough money to be worth your while... ie. more than you could earn working in a supermarket or maccas you would have to be playing pretty high stakes and that would require quite a large bankroll.

the big high stakes teams like those in "bringing down the house" and "million dollar blackjack" usually had outside investors, i've also looked at this possibility but have absolutely no idea how you would contact such investors... i mentioned the notion to my father who is in business and, even with the high returns availabe, he said he would never in a million years invest in such a thing. however he is a very anti gambling person... even though we know that cc is investing not gambling

well ok now i must really get onto my assignment

taa taa

nightfoxx
 

matteotm

Well-Known Member
#6
aussiecounter said:
I think I could organise/train a pretty good team of my own.

I think I might have to just train up my girlfriend in Basic Strategy for now, so I can back count or count at table and get her to just Wong in at the right time.
have you ever watched that movie based on the true story about the MIT Blackjack team?
Ones of the best movies, i think you would get alot out of it.

"Breaking Vegas"

Based on Ben Mizrich's bestselling book BRINGING DOWN THE HOUSE, BREAKING VEGAS tells the true story of six nerdy college students from MIT--including Mizrich himself--who used their genius math skills to win millions of dollars at Las Vegas casinos. The History Channel's thrilling documentary recounts Mizrich's amazing story through archival footage, dramatic reenactments, and interviews with the former students, casino executives, security experts, gamblers, and Vegas historians

(Dead link: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BREAKING-VEGAS-DVD-NEW_W0QQitemZ6456386785QQcategoryZ41546QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
 

aussiecounter

Well-Known Member
#7
I dont think I've seen it.

That blurb is funny, his name is spelt Mezrich, not Mizrich. And I didn't think he was actually involved in the card counting directly.

A card counting movie that I have seen which follows almost exactly the same story, so much so that I hope Mezrich got royalties, or he should sue, is a Canadian movie called The Last Casino.
As I said, it follows the same basic story: college kids get recruited by a crusty old counter(a professor at college), and they start counting. I think it was made for TV, and I saw it on Austar(pay tv) a few weeks ago.
I thought it was pretty good, although I had extra interest because of the topic I suppose, and the lead girl is quite nice to look at ;)
Funniest scene would have to be what the Asian kid does when they're in the private high-stakes game. If you've seen it, you'll know what I mean.

Its definitely worth seeing if its on pay TV again, or going out and renting it if you can find it.
 
#8
breaking vegas

i haven't seen the movie either but i've read the book cover to cover 3 or 4 times (very entertaining read). i can confirm that Mezrich (not mizrich) did not take part in the action, only heard about it years after they had broken the team up, from one of the team members who wanted the story to be told. As part of his research for the book he did go to a casino and act as a gorilla player for one of the team members, so perhaps this is where the confusion has come from.

The alleged leader of the team, the college professor whos real name is apparently "Micky Rosa." i did some research on this name and found a blurb about him at some blackjack tournament site that said he was "currently pursuing investements in Australia," which combined with a radio transcript (australian) where Ben Mezrich was being interviewed about his book, mezrich said that there is apparently a very famous team opperating out of Australia, this seemed rather interesting to me to imagine that the outstanding Mezrich story could be happening now and so close to home.- if ur interested you should do a google search... i found both info sources on the net.

i think i might purchase this movie all the same, if i do, i'll watch it and then post back here with my thoughts.

nightfoxx
 
#9
no good in australia

i'm from perth and me and my friends practiced card counting for about 4 months before we actually put it in to practice at burswood casino. we worked in a 5 person team and started our first night out with almost 5 grand between us... after about 5 hours 2 of us had been caught and were 'asked' to leave. we ended up with just over a grand profit between us. unfortunately i'm not allowed to ever go back to burswood

the problem with card counting in australia is that we only have small casino's and only one casino per city, so once you're barred then its all over. and because of the small casino's its not hard for an alert manager to notice the people winning big money and i suspect these days a good pit boss will also know how to card coutn so they could monitor any suspects.

we chose to use text messages as well as other subtle (well we thought they wer subtle) techniques to tip each other off as to loaded tables. which is why only 2 of us got kicked out.. unfortunately the 2 ppl who got kicked out were the 2 people with money... i been thinking about taking the team to melbourne but i rekon their security would be even better than over here...

mind you i am going to america in a months time.... and i can't resist vegas... but i'll be on my own so it'll just be interesting to see how long it takes me to get kicked out of a cas there....

if you do try it i wish you luck...
but if you enjoy gambling dont expect to be let back in for a long time...
 
#10
Curious

yeah always been curious about this...
done it myself at crown cassi in melb just by myself.. kinda just look at deck about 1/3rd of deck left if alot of face cards are goin down i jump on it at bet high ...
what i wanna know is does the cutting of the deck effect the card counting emensely? the cutting as in how they put in the "cut-off" card about a deck in .. is it called the penetration?? i dunno .. ?? cheers im in melb too
so yeah lets get talkin
 
#11
Melb player

I'm in Melbourne too.

I hear the guy above, the one who got barred from Burswood. Once you're barred, that's it. But cell phones are the best way to get stung. Crown have got a tight ship, but it's a big place and there are some REALLY obvious counters there (sorry if that's you walkin' around for 3 hours before you play just ONE hand!), so if you can make yourself inconspicuous enough you can relax. Keep your phones in your pocket, I say. Don't even pick up for a social call.

And that's another thing, you gotta relax. If your beady eyes are darting all over the table, then at the dealer and the pit crew then it doesn't look like you are there just for a good time like the rest of the losers.
 
#13
i visited burswood in perth last year, but seems to me all the BJ tables were using continuous shuffle machine.....i end up using BS.......can anyone tell where is the shoe game located? i will be visiting crown in melbourne soon....do they offer shoe games? Heard from a friend that crown is using continuous shuffle machine as well.
 

dacium

Well-Known Member
#14
Australia is turning into a shit hole to count in blackjack.

All tables are pretty much card machines except at night time they usually open up some shoe games because big ploppies like to play on them.

In brisbane and the goldcoast there are only shoes after 8pm, most close 2am and even then it is quickly becoming just 3 or 4 shoe tables and the rest are card machines.
 

dacium

Well-Known Member
#15
Also card counting returns very modest results.
If you wong out and only play positive hands and ramp properly, all up your edge isn't 2-3%, its 2-3% per bet made, its only 0.6% or less per actual hand counted. This means to make $20 per hour, assuming you see 90 hands per minute, you would need to be betting minimum of $35 ramping upwards from here. I wouldn't even bother unless you can afford to bet $100 per hand and ramp from there upto say $500 max with a $10 person counting and signalling.

You will need to hit and run bit time. A player making $100 ramped bets and moving tables will look EXTREMELY hot. So you will want to play just a two shoes and leave. Let the counters play all day a $10 per hand signal in the big guy only when there is a really good count such as +6 or above where he is going to get some good play time.
 
#16
Coach needed

Hi there it has been long time no one posting message on the board. I'm new to card counting and need some guide. I'm currently in Perth doing my research on it. Did anyone love to take a potential recruit as their team? By the way I'm doing a degree in BSc. Nanotechnology. My maths can live up to any engineering student, advanced calculus was my best and favorite subject ever. So any system that you guys recommend to learn than can break the CSMs? By the way i learn photographic memory before.
 

rogue1

Well-Known Member
#17
Bringing Down The House

The book and the movie are great-love both of them. I have a problem with the implication that one must be some sort of math genius in order to count cards with success. Nonsense!
 
#19
counters in tha GC/Brisbane area.

Been studying counting for a few months now, got everything nailed except for deviations and wouldn't mind working with a team that's got a bit of ambition about them.
Also have a managerial system thought out that has tha capability of overcoming tha issue of what to do after being banned from casinos.
If anyone is interested in my area, PM me.
I'd like to talk business, however, I will not be taking my ideas into motion until next yr as I would prefer to get my skills a bit more solid.
Plus, I havn't got tha finances at tha moment as I am yah everyday, poor, uni student.
I'm located on tha gc.
heh.
Take it easy.
peaCe.
 
#20
hey there guys

guys consider me in
i m aman from melbourne
have been counting cards for a while now
but looking for a team i could join to maximise profits
regards
aman
 
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