Wendover all single?

Dopple

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#1
The recent bj conditions papers has Wendover with 72 tables at the Montego, Peppermill and Rainbow and they are all single deck with a $5 minimum.

I would think they would have some higher mins just because higher bettors like to get away from the lower bettors and I am really surprised there are no 2,4 or 6 decks shoes.

It has been so long since I have played single deck it will really take some adjustment. Does this information on the tables sound correct?
 

bj bob

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#3
Almost all, but

There is one double deck game in Wendover. It's at the Red Garter and is $5 min. As SM said the Peppermill properties have $10 and $25 mins.
 

Sonny

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#5
shadroch said:
How long a drive is it from Vegas?
Isn't it something like 7 hours? And it's not exactly the most exciting terrain either, although you might have some interesting experiences on the Extraterrestrial Highway (RT 318).

-Sonny-
 

shadroch

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#6
I just can't figure driving times for the West. In NYC, a forty five minute drive can be ten miles,while out there,I know people that drive 125 miles to a dart match.Ever leave a bar in Kingman and get to a bar in Laughlin thirty minutes before you left the Kingman bar? Its a bit disconcerting.
 

Doofus

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#7
shadroch said:
How long a drive is it from Vegas?
Wendover is 90 minutes west of Salt Lake City. Even though I subscribe to CBJN, it was not until this thread that I realized that the whole town is SD. Interesting....
 

Dopple

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#8
To stay with this thread since we are talking SD; I can't believe they won't shuffle up on you when (and it will happen) you get three rounds per deck playing with one other person and this happens:

You bet a dime and win.. count goes up a little
You bet twenty and win.. again it rides and count goes up
You bet forty

I remember a place in AC that was always doing that pref shuffle with a good count and letting me eat the bad counts.

If they pull the shuffle routine could you just sit one out when they want to feed you that bad round.
 

EasyRhino

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#9
Dopple said:
I remember a place in AC that was always doing that pref shuffle with a good count and letting me eat the bad counts.
Was this a shoe game in AC? Preferentially shuffling a shoe isn't often mentioned, it's more common in pitch games.

I've been preferentially shuffled up on blatantly once, at Slotsafun, but two different dealers back to back at their DD game. Needless to say I was annoyed. But that was the point I guess.

There's two ways to preferentially shuffle:

1) Shuffle up if the bet gets raised
2) Shuffle up if the count is good

Obviously, #2 is more damaging, and it requires a dealer that can count.
 

mjbballar23

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#10
EasyRhino said:
Was this a shoe game in AC? Preferentially shuffling a shoe isn't often mentioned, it's more common in pitch games.

I've been preferentially shuffled up on blatantly once, at Slotsafun, but two different dealers back to back at their DD game. Needless to say I was annoyed. But that was the point I guess.

There's two ways to preferentially shuffle:

1) Shuffle up if the bet gets raised
2) Shuffle up if the count is good

Obviously, #2 is more damaging, and it requires a dealer that can count.
If the dealer is counting and preferentially shuffling based on the count, wouldnt it be fairly easy to make lots of talk with the dealer and ask your card total and question payoffs and such? I no just from practice that being the dealer and trying to count at the same time isnt necessarily an easy task and lots of little distractions i would think would make it pretty hard for the dealer to keep the count. Then again, i've never be shuffled up on so i wouldnt really no.
 

EasyRhino

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#11
Well, if you're going to engage in a distracting conversation with the dealer, while keeping a count, that means you've got to be able to count WAY better than them.

More importantly, if they are counting and preferentially shuffling, they almost defintely know that you are card counting. And it might be smarter to just leave.
 
#12
EasyRhino said:
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More importantly, if they are counting and preferentially shuffling, they almost defintely know that you are card counting. And it might be smarter to just leave.
No not really. They could just be trying to increase the house edge. Works on non-counters just like on counters.
 

jack.jackson

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#13
Automatic Monkey said:
No not really. They could just be trying to increase the house edge. Works on non-counters just like on counters.
Isnt that just another legal way, for the casinos to cheat. That seems almost Illegal, or SHOULD be! Kinda like MindPlay. I think this was banned, because it did the exact same thing:confused:
 
#14
jack said:
Isnt that just another legal way, for the casinos to cheat. That seems almost Illegal, or SHOULD be! Kinda like MindPlay. I think this was banned, because it did the exact same thing:confused:
Theoretically, it's not cheating to pref shuffle unless you are using a device like Mindplay to tell you when to shuffle. If it's you against the dealer, he's using his mind just like we are. Kind of unsporting though, to do it to a civilian.
 

avs21

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#15
Dopple said:
To stay with this thread since we are talking SD; I can't believe they won't shuffle up on you when (and it will happen) you get three rounds per deck playing with one other person and this happens:

You bet a dime and win.. count goes up a little
You bet twenty and win.. again it rides and count goes up
You bet forty

I remember a place in AC that was always doing that pref shuffle with a good count and letting me eat the bad counts.

If they pull the shuffle routine could you just sit one out when they want to feed you that bad round.
There is a casino in Wendover that will pref shuffle on you.
 

Dopple

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#16
No this was double deck and 15 years ago so I forgot the name of the place.

The BJ news says Red Garter in Wendover practices pref shuffle.
 
#17
Dopple said:
No this was double deck and 15 years ago so I forgot the name of the place.

The BJ news says Red Garter in Wendover practices pref shuffle.
They don't. It's the Wendover Nugget that does that, and it's not a pref shuffle, it's a shuffle-up on raised bets and large bets.

Up in Jackpot I saw a nasty pref shuffle. RO5 on good counts and RO7 on bad ones.
 

Dopple

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#18
I would think they would want to keep their hands per hours up on the table. I read from Uston MB Blackjack with 1,2 and 3 players 5,4 and 3 rounds respectively are unacceptable for penetration in his book.

I have played so so many hours at 6 deck shoes I think I will have to tune up my head a little to keep up with the constant calculations.

I think the fellow that said "no cover" was right. I plan to kind of fine tune the game and if I can churn out just $10.00 per hour next time it will be $15.00 etc.

If I could get away with it on slightly negative count I would sit just one hand out. I think that could raise a red flag though at any level of play.
 

Sonny

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#19
Dopple said:
If I could get away with it on slightly negative count I would sit just one hand out. I think that could raise a red flag though at any level of play.
That depends on why you are sitting out the hand. If you need to check the score of the football/hockey game (there are no other sports in my opinion :p) you will not get much heat for missing a hand or two. The same applies to checking a keno ticket, looking for a waitress, going to the bar, going to the bathroom, checking on a friend/relative, checking a page (some businesses still use pagers), taking a cell phone call, making a call from a pay phone, take a smoke break/fresh air break, color up your chips, change the “flow” of the cards, etc. There are dozens of good reasons to sit out a hand or take a break. Even jumping to another table gets the job done quickly.

In heads-up games these can be great ways to force a shuffle too.

-Sonny-
 
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