A funny ploppy wanted to buy insurance on my twenty.

BJgenius007

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#1
Both of us bet the table minimal $25. I had 20 and he had 16. Dealer had ace showing. He told me I had a good hand, so I should buy insurance. I said no. Then he wanted to buy insurance on good 20 but not on his crappy 16.

I let him and did not argue with him on the logic behind it.
 

Gamblor

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#2
I say let them, all the time. Slight cover, if somebody were to glance over at you and see an insurance bet out on a min bet. Also you don't want to argue with anyone about the logic of anything, just be totally agreeable to everything ploppies say.
 

Zerg

Active Member
#3
another story

Have been wanting to post this one but didn't think it was worth a thread of it's own so i'll put it here. Hope you don't mind Genius! I recently had a ploppy try to hold me hostage in a strange way. I had 2 max(ish) bets out and he had a table min(ish) bet. He was in front of me and got dealt a 20, both of my hands were 11. Can't remember if the dealer up card was a 6 or 8, but I immediately pushed out my double down bets. So the first few hands are played according to basic strategy, then we get to this guy. He puts out a 2nd bet and says he wants to double down. Dealer asks "are you sure you really want to double down on your twenty. Think that ace is coming?" He doesn't answer, but seems to be trying to look at me without turning his head. I got the feeling that he was waiting for me to object to his double down and was planning to ask me to pay him to not double his 20. Then he says he wants to split and looks at me. I give him a surprised look, as I was surprised. The dealer must have had an 8 up because I remember thinking it was also an awful play. The table waits a bit as he thinks. I get the same feeling that he was waiting for me to say something to try to stop him. Finally, he stands. I ended up winning both hands and the comments start about how it was because of him that I won. I won probably 65% of the rest of the hands I played a made a small bundle of money, all while he was telling me each time I win it was because of him (and of course remaining silent when I lose.) With about a half deck left the count tanked to around +1. I decided it was a good time to go and now he just starts asking for money as I color up. I smiled and wished him luck!
 

pit15

Well-Known Member
#5
Easy answer is to let him do it. Take his 10 bucks or whatever and put it up on the insurance bar above your hand.

When I play 3 card i'll let ploppies bet my pair plus. free cover for me.
 
#6
pit15 said:
Easy answer is to let him do it. Take his 10 bucks or whatever and put it up on the insurance bar above your hand.

When I play 3 card i'll let ploppies bet my pair plus. free cover for me.
let him insure your hands, if you can insure his hands too
 

Martin Gayle

Well-Known Member
#7
Zerg said:
Have been wanting to post this one but didn't think it was worth a thread of it's own so i'll put it here. Hope you don't mind Genius! I recently had a ploppy try to hold me hostage in a strange way. I had 2 max(ish) bets out and he had a table min(ish) bet. He was in front of me and got dealt a 20, both of my hands were 11. Can't remember if the dealer up card was a 6 or 8, but I immediately pushed out my double down bets. So the first few hands are played according to basic strategy, then we get to this guy. He puts out a 2nd bet and says he wants to double down. Dealer asks "are you sure you really want to double down on your twenty. Think that ace is coming?" He doesn't answer, but seems to be trying to look at me without turning his head. I got the feeling that he was waiting for me to object to his double down and was planning to ask me to pay him to not double his 20. Then he says he wants to split and looks at me. I give him a surprised look, as I was surprised. The dealer must have had an 8 up because I remember thinking it was also an awful play. The table waits a bit as he thinks. I get the same feeling that he was waiting for me to say something to try to stop him. Finally, he stands. I ended up winning both hands and the comments start about how it was because of him that I won. I won probably 65% of the rest of the hands I played a made a small bundle of money, all while he was telling me each time I win it was because of him (and of course remaining silent when I lose.) With about a half deck left the count tanked to around +1. I decided it was a good time to go and now he just starts asking for money as I color up. I smiled and wished him luck!
I don't think this is the case with this but I have seen (and maybe done) things like this where I am the small bettor and a big bettor has a good chance at winning with some perceived dependence on my play. "gimme $50 and play my hand for me". Maybe he wanted you to kick him some money in order to not interrupt the natural flow of cards. Holding other players hostage is a sneaky but opportunistic way to make money.

If the casino lets you play behind other players, wait to be dealt say a 3,2 and say if you don't give me $x00 I will stay. Or wait to be dealt a 20 and tell the big bettor playing behind that you will hit this unless he gives you $x00. If you pull this make sure you are bigger than the other dude because you may have to fight.
 

Zach Black

Active Member
#8
I've had ploppy big bettors buy my stiff hands after making a few index plays like 12 v 4 in negative counts. Nothing like being thought of as the worst player at the table and getting advice from people with the BS card in front of them.
 

Thunder

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#9
1/2 the time, the people with the BS card are using the wrong one lol. And a lot of them don't even do what the BS chart tells them to do such as doubling A4 vs 4
 
#10
Ploppy or crafty AP with a good act

Here's a thought. He had a small bet out and believes the insurance bet is a good bet at that time. You have a big bet out. He wants to put more money out but doesn't want to appear to know something. He uses that line of BS and gets a bet 5 times as large out as he could get on his hand. You never know how crafty people are or how good their acts are.
 

BJgenius007

Well-Known Member
#11
tthree said:
Here's a thought. He had a small bet out and believes the insurance bet is a good bet at that time. You have a big bet out. He wants to put more money out but doesn't want to appear to know something. He uses that line of BS and gets a bet 5 times as large out as he could get on his hand. You never know how crafty people are or how good their acts are.
My original statement said we both bet table minimum $25 implies the true count is either negative or zero.
 
#12
Thunder said:
1/2 the time, the people with the BS card are using the wrong one lol. And a lot of them don't even do what the BS chart tells them to do such as doubling A4 vs 4
I hate it when people deviate from BS like that, and then when I make an index play they say I am messing up the cards.
 
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