No Card Counting - Macau, Asia

#1
Hello comrades,

For those in the states (or elseware) who want to go to have some actions in Macau, forget it. They shuffle all cards after each hand! And same everywhere in town.

They are using an electric shuffler 'one2six' to do the job.

I ended up playing BS and left the tables during a positive swing.

I am living in Hong Kong. Any good choices around in Asia except Macau?
 
#2
You're right about Macau!

South Korea. There are several government-run joints there, and there is no risk of heat. I used a 1-60 spread across two spots with no problems whatsoever. 6D DOA DAS LSR, IIRC

Philippines. I think there are four casinos in Manilla. They burn a card each round before the dealer takes his hit cards, but the pen is generally deep enough that you can overcome this. Again, wild spreads didn't attract much attention.

Hope this helps.
 
#4
Expensive Practise

Hello there,

You will need to have A LOT OF PRACTISE before you go. You may want to get the CVBJ (I have my practise on it) and practise and practice before you go.

It will be VERY EXPENSIVE to learn card counting in the real world.

Our friends in the states are the lucky ones - even if they lose they still have the 'comp' and can live and eat like a king. Not for us mate.

I am not coming with you.... I just paid my tax.:sad:

BRgds,
Andy McNab
 
#5
Hi Friend

Hello everybody, I am a programmer living in Hong Kong and I just recap my card counting technique when I was young since Wynn and Golden Princess opened in Macau. I was thinking whether it's feasible now to use the technique. However, as you said, they employ CSM for reshuffle every hand. Originally I plan to embed the card counting program into my mobile connecting to a bluetooth earphone for confirming the counting that made inside my key press in pocket. I dont actually need to use my memory through this method. For example, if the cards used in previous hand is A, K, J, 10, 9, 8, 8, 2 . Then my input will be 1130192812, guess what i mean ?
one A, three "10" / "0", one 9, two 8, and one 2. During the decision making, if the banker has 8, and I have 10, 7 , I will input 807 and let the program decide for me. All these results will be heard in my earphone. Howz your analysis ? which casinos do not use CSM in Asia being closest to Hong Kong ? We can be partners for synchronizing our data during the game since there may be input errors.
 

kender

Active Member
#6
just a guess, but the earpiece

sounds like playing with fire to me. That's illegal I thought. Using electronic devices to help is probably got some pretty serious consequences. You better look that up before you try.
 
#7
kender said:
sounds like playing with fire to me. That's illegal I thought. Using electronic devices to help is probably got some pretty serious consequences. You better look that up before you try.
Many people like to use earphone for conversations. If we dont use earphone, we need to look at our mobiles explicitly. Any suggestion ? You guys all use your own memory and do manual calculations ?
 
#8
Actually we dont even need a bluetooth earphone, we use a headphone as if we are listening to songs. When there is a check required, simply switch your program mode to songs !
 

kender

Active Member
#9
law

I'm not sure of the laws where you are going to play, but I can't imagine that you are allowed to use ANY electronic device to help with card playing. I know you are trying to be covert with it, but I'm pretty sure the risks outway the rewards on that one. Where I play, we have to leave the table if we talk on the phone, and we are not allowed to listen to headphones while playing. The casino just won't allow it.

Yes, and I believe I can speak for a lot of people here if not all the serious APs, we do the calculations in our head and use our memories for counts and playing decisions.

Again, I suggest looking up the laws of the area, but I'm pretty sure it illegal to do what you are suggesting.
 
#10
How strict the discipline is ! it looks like the examination ..!
I suppose the "illegal" you mean is just the rule by casino but not by the government right ?

I havent gone through other posts here. If not use any device, can we use paper or the coins ? May I know your adopted card counting technique ? Do you need to memorize all thrown cards ? Or just particular numbers of cards ? If the accurancy is lowered, does it seriously affect your decision making ? I think it's really tough for memorization and precise calculation, when you are getting tired.
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
#11
Use of a device in Nevada

In Nevada and probably most states in the U.S. with gambling, the use of a device (computer is a device) is illegal, a feloney and can land you with a government paid room, three meals and an unwanted bunkmate in a state prison.
I do not know the laws in China (Macau) but would think life in a prison there, or the Philippines would not be pleasent. 36 years ago, I visited an American soldier confined in a Korean prison (but for murder not a gaming crime) and he would have welcomed a death penalty.

DO NOT DO IT!

ihate17
 
#12
Terrible !! Committing a gaming crime can be being with a murderer in the same prison !! First of all I am already shocked when thinking of playing blackjack with any device (even just the mobile) is illegal in a sense for the government. However, I have heard a case somewhere for UK a group of people used the laser scanner embedded in the mobile phone for forecasting the ball in the lottery and they won 30M USD. They are caught but released without a law charging them anything nor even taken their money because they did not do anything to AFFECT the result, rather, they just foresee the result. However, different countries have different laws. Thanks for your advice !! I was thinking of writing the auto-destruction mode such that within 1 or 2 press the program will be deleted within the mobile !
 
#13
To: thomsonfx: Just don't

To thomsonfx: You should get yourself a proper simulator to practise. Then spending time on it rather than working on your mobile. As the other chap said yes you are playing with fire.

To me I never saw people caught with 'a device' in Macau, yet. I reckon most of people there are mainland china officials with people's tax money to burn (..sob..) or working class people from Hong Kong (sorry the 'class' thing.. did I say I was in the regiment..), all with little brains.

Translation: Armed with a lot of balls and brain, going there with a 'mobile' phone is quite an adventure. But you are challenging either or both Mr Ho's business (the godfather) and the Macau authourities (governor is the son of a triad chief).

Believe me practice makes perfect, and that is exactly what other mates are doing now. So:-

i) Get yourself Casino Vérité Blackjack or the like, and practise.
ii)Read everything off this link below:-
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack
They also mentioned a bit on the CSM.

Good luck.
 

ortango

Well-Known Member
#14
kender said:
I'm not sure of the laws where you are going to play, but I can't imagine that you are allowed to use ANY electronic device to help with card playing. I know you are trying to be covert with it, but I'm pretty sure the risks outway the rewards on that one. Where I play, we have to leave the table if we talk on the phone, and we are not allowed to listen to headphones while playing. The casino just won't allow it.

Yes, and I believe I can speak for a lot of people here if not all the serious APs, we do the calculations in our head and use our memories for counts and playing decisions.

Again, I suggest looking up the laws of the area, but I'm pretty sure it illegal to do what you are suggesting.
In my casino in Korea they allow both headphones and cell phones at the tables, but no cameras
 
#15
im living in sacramento, CA
not to mention blackjack table, even you are not allowed to use cell phone in baccarat table where card counting is not going to have any advantage.
 

ortango

Well-Known Member
#16
jtleon said:
im living in sacramento, CA
not to mention blackjack table, even you are not allowed to use cell phone in baccarat table where card counting is not going to have any advantage.
Thorp estimated that counting is 1/17th as effective in Baccarat as in Blackjack! I guess you could call that an "advantage" LOL
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
#17
interesting, but too dangerous for me

ortango said:
In my casino in Korea they allow both headphones and cell phones at the tables, but no cameras
A headphone or even a cell phone could be used to receive information from an agent who has a planted camera or is spooking.
 

positiveEV

Well-Known Member
#18
But there is an AWESOME brothel at the 2nd floor of the Lisboa Casino (been in Macao when I was 16 and had my first experience there because they didn't cared about how old I was). If you go to Macao and don't have a girlfriend, don't forget to go there :joker: !
 
#19
Hi,

AndyMcNab said:
Hello comrades,

For those in the states (or elseware) who want to go to have some actions in Macau, forget it. They shuffle all cards after each hand! And same everywhere in town.

They are using an electric shuffler 'one2six' to do the job.

I ended up playing BS and left the tables during a positive swing.

I am living in Hong Kong. Any good choices around in Asia except Macau?
Seven Luck Casino in South Korea was fine.
Especially Seven Luck 21 was kinda interesting.
Being quiet cause still new,
was rather pleasant for me.
 
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