Bringing basic strategy cards to the table

#1
Hi guys,

Just wondering if Crown allows you to refer to a basic strategy card while you're sitting at the table?

Also, could someone please confirm if the following are the correct rules to enter into the basic strategy engine on this website for the standard blackjack game at Crown.
-- 6 or 8 decks
-- Dealer Stands on Soft 17
-- Double 9,10,11 Only
-- Double After Split Allowed
-- No Surrender
-- No peek (European style)

Thanks.
 

StudiodeKadent

Well-Known Member
#2
starter said:
Hi guys,

Just wondering if Crown allows you to refer to a basic strategy card while you're sitting at the table?

Also, could someone please confirm if the following are the correct rules to enter into the basic strategy engine on this website for the standard blackjack game at Crown.
-- 6 or 8 decks
-- Dealer Stands on Soft 17
-- Double 9,10,11 Only
-- Double After Split Allowed
-- No Surrender
-- No peek (European style)

Thanks.
I've never brought in a basic strategy card to a casino but I don't think anyone has ever been thrown out of any casino for referring to one.

Additionally, many low-roller BJ tables at Crown are HIT soft-17. These are the 'red felt' tables.

Also, Crown's BJ games are no-hole-card BUT you only lose your original bet against a dealer BJ, so its mathematically equivalent to US hole card play. Its NOT European No Hole Card.
 

bjhack

Well-Known Member
#3
StudiodeKadent said:
I've never brought in a basic strategy card to a casino but I don't think anyone has ever been thrown out of any casino for referring to one.

Additionally, many low-roller BJ tables at Crown are HIT soft-17. These are the 'red felt' tables.

Also, Crown's BJ games are no-hole-card BUT you only lose your original bet against a dealer BJ, so its mathematically equivalent to US hole card play. Its NOT European No Hole Card.
My experience - LV and Alberta tables, no problem. I've gambled at the crown, but didn't have a BS card with me. (The crown handles the hole card the same way that Alberta does).
 

RingyDingy

Well-Known Member
#5
crown info

Just be careful at Crown, they now have at least 4 differing sets of black rules based on the minimum bet, time of day and location within the casino.

As StudiodeKadent mentioned, avoid the red felt.

Crown's a shitty place to play blackjack unless your willing to play larger stakes.
 
#6
Couldn't agree more about those crappy red-felt tables. But where at Crown are there S17 tables (I mean on the main floor - not Mahoganny Room)??
Would also like to state that I am a new member to this forum and find most posts absolutely fantastic!! Thanks for the insight.
 

Katweezel

Well-Known Member
#7
Suckers keep em rich. Any fake 1Ks turn up?

RingyDingy said:
Just be careful at Crown, they now have at least 4 differing sets of black rules based on the minimum bet, time of day and location within the casino.

As StudiodeKadent mentioned, avoid the red felt.

Crown's a shitty place to play blackjack unless your willing to play larger stakes.
Hey Ringy, 4 different sets of blackjack rules based on the minimum bet... (all in the same casino)...WTF? That is straight out of Alice In Blunderland. What is the big P up to now? I guess the Melbourne plopulation already begins confused, so that don't matter much... to Packer, does it? Like Tarzan, have you got a good Batman or female celeb disguise hired yet, along with appropriate undergarments? I guess you will need to outsuck the suckees down at good ol Crown. Good luck mate. :cat:
 

RingyDingy

Well-Known Member
#8
up the preverbial

Yes, walking through crown casino, its like watching retards humping a door knob, its funny at first, then downright disturbing.

Upstairs near the cinema entrances you will find some non csm games, usually 15 minimum, then there is also around there some stupid "sports blackjack" as well as some $10, even $5 minimum csm games!!! all to be avoided like genital warts. - again all varies on time of day day of the week etc.

Seriously Katz, the place is really hard to keep track of however there is a common theme, THEY ALL SUCK. if crown introduces it, you can bet your last dollar on it being a **** game.

Downstairs there is some $30 min games, plus some $50 and $100 min games, but again their rules vary wildly, based on day of the week and time, even at their best they are still not very good, again, avoid.

In the mahog they play a few different games, again totally based on demand. example: I saw a couple of Gentlemen wanted to play a certain game and crown were happy to oblige (6d man shuff, S17) awful Pen from what i saw.

Crown still has some holes, but like everything you gotta find em, and work hard on em, no such thing as a free lunch.

cheers

Ringy
 

RingyDingy

Well-Known Member
#9
Re: Basic Strategy Clue Cards

Ive never seen anyone use them.

But without offending anyone, if you dont know BS off the top of your head, and with the quality of crowns games, you are better off putting your money in a term deposit at 5% interest, save up for long enough to study the game, learn it backwards and then go to the states.
 

FLASH1296

Well-Known Member
#10
Do not bring a B. S. Card.

If you are unable to memorize Basic Strategy
you need someone to handle your funds for you.

Find an affordable hobby where you do not have
to handle cash or sharp objects.
 

Katweezel

Well-Known Member
#11
Double/split

RingyDingy said:
Yes, walking through crown casino, its like watching retards humping a door knob, its funny at first, then downright disturbing.

Upstairs near the cinema entrances you will find some non csm games, usually 15 minimum, then there is also around there some stupid "sports blackjack" as well as some $10, even $5 minimum csm games!!! all to be avoided like genital warts. - again all varies on time of day day of the week etc.

Seriously Katz, the place is really hard to keep track of however there is a common theme, THEY ALL SUCK. if crown introduces it, you can bet your last dollar on it being a **** game.

Downstairs there is some $30 min games, plus some $50 and $100 min games, but again their rules vary wildly, based on day of the week and time, even at their best they are still not very good, again, avoid.

In the mahog they play a few different games, again totally based on demand. example: I saw a couple of Gentlemen wanted to play a certain game and crown were happy to oblige (6d man shuff, S17) awful Pen from what i saw.

Crown still has some holes, but like everything you gotta find em, and work hard on em, no such thing as a free lunch.

cheers

Ringy
RD, I am pretty amazed they came down off their high 8-decks shoe rule for a special request like that. They must have had one off day there. Did the requesters also ask for - and get - the Queensland rules whereby if you double or split against a dealer Ace, and dealer makes BJ, your double/split bet is returned? Probably not... that would be asking for too much...
 

RingyDingy

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#12
I never got into the details or talked to either players or the pit in the mahog about it, it was based purely on what i saw, and i did not notice any OBO action.

As usual with Crown, money talks, so i'm sure if you had enough cash they would let you play whatever you want, as long as it was in their interests to do so.
 
#13
RingyDingy said:
I never got into the details or talked to either players or the pit in the mahog about it, it was based purely on what i saw, and i did not notice any OBO action.
Crown's BJ rules (on their website) actually say they follow the Original Bets Only rule (i.e. Queensland rules). Of course, I'd never gamble at Crown. I'm constantly refused entry into Tabcorp casinos because I happen to have metal on my shoes and therefore I could "cause violence." **** them and their monopolistic, anti-consumer, bad games bullcrap. I was WILLING to play $25 0.55% BJ against a CSM, and they'll turn me away. Their loss. And I'm NOT going to wear "socially acceptable" shoes just to play a bad game, ESPECIALLY when no casino in Macau has ever turned me away. And I've gone to the Wynn Macau in full cyber-goth gear including makeup and they didn't have a single problem with me.

As usual with Crown, money talks, so i'm sure if you had enough cash they would let you play whatever you want, as long as it was in their interests to do so.
Also, yes, Casinos will only offer games that it is in their interests to offer. I have no problem with this. If Casinos didn't act in their own self-interests there would be no casinos. Casinos are NOT a public service (indeed, its precisely BECAUSE Australian state governments treat casinos as a public service that we have the current abominable situation of monopoly casinos).

However, if we abolished the current monopoly situation (i.e. allow other players to enter the market, and also provide sensible market regulation rather than simply tie up the gambling industry in bureaucracy) then casinos, if they acted in their own rational interests, would quickly start cutting house edges. Even better if one of the regulations was "All casino games must disclose their house advantage (under statistically optimum play) to patrons before the patrons start playing." This would mean house edges would be easy to compare accross different casinos.

I don't normally advocate regulations but this regulation, IF WE HAD COMPETITION BETWEEN DIFFERENT CASINO PROVIDERS, would be enormously encouraging of house-edge-slicing.

Unfortunately no one will listen to my policy advice because Tabcorp/Crown wants its monopoly, governments want their revenue, and thanks to the current global financial crisis anyone that advocates market economics gets skinned alive and accused of causing poverty (in spite of the fact that it was actually irresponsible central banking that caused this, not a free market, but no one listens to me).
 

Katweezel

Well-Known Member
#14
Money money money... the machine

From StudioKadent: "However, if we abolished the current monopoly situation (i.e. allow other players to enter the market, and also provide sensible market regulation rather than simply tie up the gambling industry in bureaucracy) then casinos, if they acted in their own rational interests, would quickly start cutting house edges. Even better if one of the regulations was "All casino games must disclose their house advantage (under statistically optimum play) to patrons before the patrons start playing." This would mean house edges would be easy to compare accross different casinos."

Slots in Queensland casinos used to be set to return $86 for $100 put through, or "invested." How many slots' players in Australia do you think would be capable of subtracting 86 from 100, to give them the negative house edge? How many would actually care if you told them it is 14%? Seeing as Aussie slots players lost around $8Billion last year, I don't think they would listen, or care.

With casinos making squillions as well as the state government, I think everyone in Queensland would be happy if the likes of you and me just shut tf up, and let people happily play their beloved machines. Let's face it, there ain't gonna be any competition until well after you, me and Ringy have all karked it mate. :cat:
 

RingyDingy

Well-Known Member
#15
sad state of affairs

it just goes to show what we are dealing with doesn't it.

just because your dressed as a Goth or whatever the stereotype, just by looking at you they have declared that you are undesirable.

Way to go in todays modern society, welcome to 1979.

I bet you 50 bucks if you were a stunning woman with your tits out, looking like a hooker they would have said, come on in, your more than welcome, some of our overseas clients will think your great!

In the case of Crown, and im sure other casinos like it, its been proven in court "god knows how many times" that they are totally unscrupulous and are not capable of running a legitimate business, look at the current court case where they sucked in that known problem gambler even though he was on their exclusion list. left him baskets of cash on the private jet the hired for him, drove him down to a bank branch on a Saturday and even advised him on methods of hiding the money from his business partners! and funnel money through other affiliated companies.

As for my mate Katz's accurate summation, facts remain, crown has the crappiest games on earth, yet their tables are so crowded and full of morons pissing their money away, even if we tattooed on the dealers forehead the house edge people just wouldnt give a crap.

And a few of us have had to work incredibly hard to get even the most modest small edge from them.

Look at the poker machines/slots, the edge on these is breathtaking for the casino, yet a million pensioners flock to them like flies to a BBQ.

however if these mind numbingly stupid pensioners were given a choice as to which casino they would go to, i BET that half of them would go to the best returns (i.e they have an idea) the other half would be too stupid to know or get sucked into the bright lights.

I think the three of us will not be getting a Christmas card from Crown this year :)

Cheers

Ringy
PS i wonder if anyone form crown reads these boards hehehe.
 
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