Vegas update

johndoe

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#1
Just a couple of tidbits:

- Tropicana no longer offers surrender. No more S17 either.
- Monte Carlo had one S17 table left that I saw ($25), and plenty of 8D/H17's.
- The small S17 pit at MGM is often $50+ during prime hours, $25+ otherwise. Lots more low-stakes 8D/H17 tables are there now.

Still nice opportunities available if you know where to find them, but the general games on the strip are continuing to deteriorate.
 
#3
Tropicana

They did remove surrender but they do offer s17 when they open a $25 game. Problem is, they can't seem to get one going. Saw a weekend with intermittent $25 min s17 and they could not even get a green chip player of any kind to sit down at it. Each shift eventually had to lower it to $10 to get play.

If you do sit down and play it with any stakes, you get a bunch of scrutiny and attention that I'm sure even the ploppies will notice and don't like. So it's a catch 22. I noticed the same pattern in the LV Hilton HL room. Empty room, someone sits down to uncomfortable attention for being there, they leave, then the pit sits around wondering why no one is playing.
 

johndoe

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#4
I expect that the ploppies who know that a S17 game is better for them also know that surrender is also good for them, and have decided to play elsewhere.
 

Blue Efficacy

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#5
LV just keeps getting worse. At this rate, AC will be a better venue for blackjack soon.

Same lousy 8d h17 games, only you can't get barred for advantage play!

And johndoe, if they know Surrender and S17 is good, I would be hesitant to call them ploppies!
 
#6
Blue Efficacy said:
And johndoe, if they know Surrender and S17 is good, I would be hesitant to call them ploppies!
Higher stakes ploppies know about the value of s17 and surrender (although they often mis-use surrender and therefore some ploppies call it a "house rule"). That's why almost all casinos should offer and promote surrender to induce mistakes.

I've played enough with both higher and low stakes ploppies to know that casinos make a lot of money off of "half smart" gamblers who definitely fancy themselves smart enough to notice rule changes like s17,rsa, and surrender.
 

Blue Efficacy

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#7
Here's where we disagree on semantics. If they are half smart, they are not ploppies. Ploppies are overall foolish. Ploppies are the ones who think H17 is good for the player.
 

johndoe

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#8
Blue Efficacy said:
Here's where we disagree on semantics. If they are half smart, they are not ploppies. Ploppies are overall foolish. Ploppies are the ones who think H17 is good for the player.
Is there a word for general-purpose players who are a step above ploppies?
 

chichow

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#11
handymn said:
They did remove surrender but they do offer s17 when they open a $25 game. Problem is, they can't seem to get one going. Saw a weekend with intermittent $25 min s17 and they could not even get a green chip player of any kind to sit down at it. Each shift eventually had to lower it to $10 to get play.

If you do sit down and play it with any stakes, you get a bunch of scrutiny and attention that I'm sure even the ploppies will notice and don't like. So it's a catch 22. I noticed the same pattern in the LV Hilton HL room. Empty room, someone sits down to uncomfortable attention for being there, they leave, then the pit sits around wondering why no one is playing.
seconded. lv hilton is bad in terms of a pit boss watching in high limit. also the high limit chips are called in by the cage
 
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