Hard rock casino hollywood Florida

#1
I have been counting for a long time but at the seminole casino in hollywood florida i just can not win!!!. I goto the bahamas alot and vegas and kill the tables. I play the KO count with true count, It just does not work t here been playing there for 2 years since they have been open. I play 6 and 8 decks. I have had counts of 15+ using ko on 6 decks and it seems all that still comes out are low cards. IS it me or do they stack the decks.
 

Deathclutch

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#2
onetobet said:
I have been counting for a long time but at the seminole casino in hollywood florida i just can not win!!!. I goto the bahamas alot and vegas and kill the tables. I play the KO count with true count, It just does not work t here been playing there for 2 years since they have been open. I play 6 and 8 decks. I have had counts of 15+ using ko on 6 decks and it seems all that still comes out are low cards. IS it me or do they stack the decks.
I doubt they stack the decks. A high count doesn't guarantee a win of course. One way to check is to pick a specific card, say 5 of diamonds and keep track of how many you see. Watch a few shoes and see if you see something you shouldn't, like maybe 9 of them :eek:
 
#3
i have counted all fives in the shoe numerous times. And in 8 deck shoe have counted 30 many times when cut card hits, im yet to hit 33. But if it does ill know for sure.
 
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#4
played today and hardrock in hollywood, I picked the 4 of clubs since when they used the blue deck we(other players and I) at the table noticed that that card came out multiple times in a row. So for each time the 4 of clubs came out i put a chip aside. And others at table watched me do this and even said there is a 4 of clubs put a chip aside. We got to 8 of them and figured there was none left( since we where playing 8 decks) when yet another 2 came out before cut card. Needless to say i will not be playing there anymore. If nobody beleives me I dont really care, i saw it with my own eyes. Pitboss even refused to show me rest of cards after we argued then spent time on phone probably trying to figure what happened out!!!
 

Lonesome Gambler

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#5
You saw ten 4C come out? I hate to say it, but you're right, I don't believe you. Seminole Hollywood rips off their patrons the old-fashioned way: having lousy games with a nearly 0.8%HA (6/8 H17 DAS noRSA noLS). In addition, the recently-signed compact allowing the Seminoles to continue to operate a monopoly in the state of Florida is nearly guaranteed to keep all of their scamming as "legitimate" and above-board as possible. Think about it: you run $25 minimum games 24/7 with a huge house edge and can barely keep a table dead even in off-peak hours. You have exclusive rights to the game of blackjack in the state of Florida and will for the next 5 years. The parimutuels are hoping that even the slightest slip-up will cause the Seminoles to lose their monopoly. Does stacking the decks make any sense at all?
 

moo321

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#6
onetobet said:
played today and hardrock in hollywood, I picked the 4 of clubs since when they used the blue deck we(other players and I) at the table noticed that that card came out multiple times in a row. So for each time the 4 of clubs came out i put a chip aside. And others at table watched me do this and even said there is a 4 of clubs put a chip aside. We got to 8 of them and figured there was none left( since we where playing 8 decks) when yet another 2 came out before cut card. Needless to say i will not be playing there anymore. If nobody beleives me I dont really care, i saw it with my own eyes. Pitboss even refused to show me rest of cards after we argued then spent time on phone probably trying to figure what happened out!!!
Call gaming immediately.

You're going to get flamed, but thank you for telling everyone. Cheating is serious, and it DOES happen, in spite of everyone saying it's all negative variance.
 
#7
i agree they have no reason to cheat, But I am telling you we at the table did count the 4c's and there was more then 8. If someone told me this i would not beleive it. But i know what i saw, maybe we counted wrong but i did put a chip aside for each one on the table. Did it for three shoes after and there where 7,8,8, before cut card hit. I have heard many stories coming out of this casino are they true? Im starting to belive them. As for above comment i agree, seminoles got alot to lose if they cheated, they have enough bad players there to take advanatge of there bad rules. But not showing cards to players makes you wonder.!!! If they had nothing to hide show me the cards!!!! If there isnt more then 8 prove it. It only takes a few minutes, casino was slow this morning.
 

Lonesome Gambler

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#8
moo321 said:
Call gaming immediately.

You're going to get flamed, but thank you for telling everyone. Cheating is serious, and it DOES happen, in spite of everyone saying it's all negative variance.
There is no "gaming" in the state of FL. This is a sovereign Native casino. I'm not saying that casinos don't cheat, I'm saying that this particular casino already makes an absurd amount of money without cheating and they have much more at stake than a typical casino involved in a cheating scheme. The Seminoles operate 7 casinos in Florida, and they have been given exclusive rights to offer banked table games in the state, as well as Vegas-style slots. As much as casinos often get risk vs. reward all wrong, this just doesn't add up.
 
#9
lonesome i agree with you 100%. I could not beleive it myself. The dealer was even shocked!!! But didnt say a word!!! I know alot of players from this casino, and have heard some bad stories. I just posted to see if anyone else has experienced this anywhere or ever!!!
 

moo321

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Lonesome Gambler said:
There is no "gaming" in the state of FL. This is a sovereign Native casino. I'm not saying that casinos don't cheat, I'm saying that this particular casino already makes an absurd amount of money without cheating and they have much more at stake than a typical casino involved in a cheating scheme. The Seminoles operate 7 casinos in Florida, and they have been given exclusive rights to offer banked table games in the state, as well as Vegas-style slots. As much as casinos often get risk vs. reward all wrong, this just doesn't add up.
I agree with you it would be stupid for them to do that.

However, we also have an eyewitness that counted extra low cards. You don't have to establish a motive for a crime if you have an eyewitness.
 
#11
Has anyone ever heard of a casino doing this? I know the cards there come prepacked and there is room for mistakes. Could all the fours be there just maybe out of suit?
 
#12
Lonesome Gambler said:
having lousy games with a nearly 0.8%HA (6/8 H17 DAS noRSA noLS)....you run $25 minimum games 24/7 with a huge house edge and can barely keep a table dead even in off-peak hours.
No $5 or $10 tables anywhere? What are the minimums like for Baccarat and mini-baccarat?
 

Lonesome Gambler

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#13
ubuwalker31 said:
No $5 or $10 tables anywhere? What are the minimums like for Baccarat and mini-baccarat?
$10 CSM tables 24/7. $15 shoes at off-hour and $25 and $50 shoes on the main floor during all other times (read: almost always). $100+ in the HL room. Baccarat is only in the HL room to my knowledge, so expect $50+ mins. Mini-bac is usually $15-25, but they occasionally have $10 games, as with the carny games.

Moo, I get your point, but I think that a mistake in counting 4s is more likely than the Seminoles going out on a limb like this. That said, I think it would certainly be worth going back and doing further research, and then notifying the news agencies if the hypothesis is confirmed. Since there's no real legal recourse against the tribe, the best thing that could happen is a huge media expose that forces them to lose the compact and allow parimutuels to expand gambling. Good luck!
 

FLASH1296

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#14
ubuwalker31,

"No $5 or $10 tables anywhere? What are the minimums like for Baccarat and mini-baccarat?"

NO low stakes BJ, and NO bacc' or midi-bac, or mini-bac at all.

But … why on earth would you care about baccarat?
 
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Lonesome Gambler said:
$10 CSM tables 24/7....Mini-bac is usually $15-25, but they occasionally have $10 games.....
$10 continuous shuffle games? For real? Feh. I can do better in Atlantic City.

FLASH1296 said:
But … why on earth would you care about baccarat?
IMHO, I will not play at a hit on soft 17 blackjack table. Just will not do it. So, if there are other fairer games, I will play them.

Also because I think that after blackjack, baccarat is one of the better games to play, especially because you win half the time when you bet with the bank and only pay a 5% vig. Also, I think it is fun to play. It's that whole James Bond thing.

I'd rather bet $2 on a horse or a greyhound than be forced to bet $25 a pop sitting at a blackjack table. I don't have a huge bankroll, sadly. I think that a lot of retirees might though.

Are the buffets any good, at least?
 

FLASH1296

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#16
"you win half the time when you bet with the bank and only pay a 5% vig."

:mad: Huh ? :confused: W T F ? :whip:

Silly me. I thought that this wasn't a site for "gamblers"
 
#17
Hollywood Florida Cheating ?

I dont think they cheat. I do know they are not in control of the cards or the games . I have seen weird things there, with cards not in play appearing and no one knows what to do with them.

They are not as professional as others and make many mistakes.
 

HockeXpert

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nycpro said:
I dont think they cheat. I do know they are not in control of the cards or the games . I have seen weird things there, with cards not in play appearing and no one knows what to do with them.
Care to expound on this at all?

"HR is not in control of the cards or the game?" That doesn't make any sense.

"Cards not in play appearing?" What does that mean?

DOes this belong in the voodoo forum?:laugh:
 

NightStalker

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#19
What's the final conclusion?

Did OP really have seen 10 4clubs in a 8-decks shoe?
I really doubt it. If he did see, then why didn't he complaint to gaming or any legislature governing the casino?

I really really doubt it. Why would they add extra small cards when they can easily remove big cards?
 
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