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matt21

Well-Known Member
#1
Don't you love it when the dealer accidentally exposes an ace, and then puts it back and looks at you sitting at first base, waiting for you to place your bet.

Amazingly I was the only player who saw it :grin:

Out comes the table max!
 

peaegg

Well-Known Member
#2
taking over a splited Ace

That was nice. I wonder what's the advantage for taking over an Ace from a split pair of aces. A tablemate didn't have money to split his Aces. The original bet was over 1k bet. BTW, the game allows re-split aces. I took the offer and won.
 

paddywhack

Well-Known Member
#3
matt21 said:
Don't you love it when the dealer accidentally exposes an ace, and then puts it back and looks at you sitting at first base, waiting for you to place your bet.

Amazingly I was the only punter who saw it :grin:

Out comes the table max!
Had that happen to me too once. Got the bet on the felt and guess who shows up - the friggin relief dealer. I pleaded to play one more round but they burned the card anyway. BASTARDS
 

BJLFS

Well-Known Member
#4
paddywhack said:
Had that happen to me too once. Got the bet on the felt and guess who shows up - the friggin relief dealer. I pleaded to play one more round but they burned the card anyway. BASTARDS
Burning a card is bull, especially for them! With all the hands they deal it's all going to average out.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#6
The only time I was ever asked to leave a casino involved an exposed Ace.
Female dealer drew to a five card sixteen and drew an Ace. Kept drawing and drew a second Ace. There were two players at the table and we both called her on it and she quickly withdrew the second ace.I was playing third base and the other player was in the second base/shortstop hole. I quickly stood up, moved to first base and threw about $50 of my $80 or so bankroll in the circle, saying last hand win or lose. Dealer now proceeded to try to bury the Ace but I insisted it was my card. The dealer called the pit and after prolonged discussion it was agreed that the ace would be dealt. Amazingly, the other player was 100% in my corner, insisting the card should be put in play. Pit asks me if I had been betting that much every hand and I said no,but I was leaving and wanted to win my money back. Pit tells me he'll only allow a $25 bet( I'd been betting $3-$10 previously), and that this was to be my last hand for the rest of his shift. I agree but try to push another $25 into the circle. He pushs it back and says deal. I get the Ace, followed by a four and dealer pulls a seven. I hit and draw a ten,hit again and draw a three. Dealer shows his ten and I win. Pit tells me to leave and not to return. At the time, it was the largest bet I'd made on a table.
 

bjcardcounter

Well-Known Member
#7
shadroch said:
The only time I was ever asked to leave a casino involved an exposed Ace. betting that much every hand and I said no,but I was leaving and wanted to win my money back. Pit tells me he'll only allow a $25 bet( I'd been betting $3-$10 previously), and that this was to be my last hand for the rest of his shift.
$3 bets? which year was it?
 

metronome

Well-Known Member
#9
paddywhack said:
Had that happen to me too once. Got the bet on the felt and guess who shows up - the friggin relief dealer. I pleaded to play one more round but they burned the card anyway. BASTARDS
Two words....
THAT SUCKS
 
#12
matt21 said:
Don't you love it when the dealer accidentally exposes an ace, and then puts it back and looks at you sitting at first base, waiting for you to place your bet.

Amazingly I was the only player who saw it :grin:

Out comes the table max!
Bravo! zg
 

BJLFS

Well-Known Member
#14
bjcardcounter said:
anyone why the dealers burn the first card from shoe or when they take over?
When it's the first card it's because it throws off the count. I'm not sure why when a new dealer takes over though.

But they do not realize that, regardless of what they want to believe, that burning a card averages out to 0 change over the long run.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#15
zengrifter said:
Anyone? zg

Without the possibility of being paid 3-2 on a natural, you have to lose quite a bit. Factor in that you are only able to get one card in almost every hand and you have lost most of your 51% advantage. Drawing an Ace, duece, three, four, five or six will put you in a precarious position.
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#17
shadroch said:
Without the possibility of being paid 3-2 on a natural, you have to lose quite a bit. Factor in that you are only able to get one card in almost every hand and you have lost most of your 51% advantage. Drawing a duece, three, four, five or six will put you in a precarious position.
fyp
 

Southpaw

Well-Known Member
#18
BJLFS said:
When it's the first card it's because it throws off the count. I'm not sure why when a new dealer takes over though.

But they do not realize that, regardless of what they want to believe, that burning a card averages out to 0 change over the long run.
Burning a card does not "screw up" your count, foiling your plans, per se, although it reduces your effective penetration by 1 card. Since it is a card you don't see, you can just as well just assume that the dealer moves the card behind the cut-card, although he actually puts it in the discard tray.

SP
 

HockeXpert

Well-Known Member
#19
Automatic Monkey said:
Around 30% for a dealer bad card, 5-10% for a dealer good card, all depending on rules.
AM:

Is that a guess or a fact? The decision to split or not split aces comes up when sequencing and I've been curious how much not splitting costs me.

Anyone have further information on the loss in EV for not splitting vs each dealer upcard?

PM's welcomed.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#20
shadroch said:
The only time I was ever asked to leave a casino involved an exposed Ace.
Female dealer drew to a five card sixteen and drew an Ace. Kept drawing and drew a second Ace. There were two players at the table and we both called her on it and she quickly withdrew the second ace.I was playing third base and the other player was in the second base/shortstop hole. I quickly stood up, moved to first base and threw about $50 of my $80 or so bankroll in the circle, saying last hand win or lose. Dealer now proceeded to try to bury the Ace but I insisted it was my card. The dealer called the pit and after prolonged discussion it was agreed that the ace would be dealt. Amazingly, the other player was 100% in my corner, insisting the card should be put in play. Pit asks me if I had been betting that much every hand and I said no,but I was leaving and wanted to win my money back. Pit tells me he'll only allow a $25 bet( I'd been betting $3-$10 previously), and that this was to be my last hand for the rest of his shift. I agree but try to push another $25 into the circle. He pushs it back and says deal. I get the Ace, followed by a four and dealer pulls a seven. I hit and draw a ten,hit again and draw a three. Dealer shows his ten and I win. Pit tells me to leave and not to return. At the time, it was the largest bet I'd made on a table.
Largest bet? Heart pounding, then you draw that 4. Did you wish for a minute you had never bet so much, as you waited for a dreaded 10 to fall... but wait... it's a 3! Hola!
 
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