Roulette: Stefano Hourmouzis

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Hello everyone,
I am considering purchasing a roulette system from a man named Stefano Hourmouzis. I would like to know what anyone has heard about Stefano i.e. are he and his system legit.

I have been studying his website ((Dead link: http://www.genuinewinner.com/main.htm)) for several weeks. Here are points that convince me and the points that worry me.

Convincing
1. (saying nothing of this particular system) Roulette is a beatable game, and many people are using systems that use the physics of the wheel to analyze it and beat it
2. Stefano gives a voluminous amount of information about his system including video "proof," low-level explanations of the physics, frequently asked questions (with great answers!), and lengthy rebuttals of notorious nay-sayers
3. Stefano is very personable and makes himself easy to contact (I have received two personalized email responses from him) and he gives a great deal of information about his personal life (other business ventures, were he lives, his phone number, even his bank account number)

Worrisome
1. Stefano has a criminal record
2. The extreme secrecy required of the purchaser (purchasers are prohibited from telling anyone they even purchased the system)
3. In his "about me" section, Stefano goes into some theories about the Illuminati
4. The cost--$2,000 via wire transfer
5. The sheer amount of fraudulant systems available--although I must say, if Stefano is a scammer, he is by far the most thorough and professional-looking scammer I have ever seen, gambling systems or otherwise.

Please, if you have heard anything negative about Stefano or his system, let me know. I know if you have the system, you cannot say that you have purchased it, but maybe give a wink or something if it's working out for you
:p
 
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st3_raw said:
Worrisome - 1. Stefano has a criminal record
As do some of my favorite people! zg

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EXCERPT FROM SITE -

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xxxxx
 
#3
This site is posted by someone whom I respect. zg

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The Truth about STEFANO HOURMOUZIS
(Dead link: http://www.stefanohourmouzis.com/)

This site is part of (Dead link: http://roulettesystemreview.com) that discusses and evaluates systems that are claimed to produce an edge in roulette using Roulette Computers

DID YOU KNOW THAT STEFANO HOURMOUZIS WAS SENT TO PRISON FOR COMMITTED FRAUD USING THE INTERNET TO FIND INNOCENT VICTIMS ONLY 6 YEARS AGO

Steven George Hourmouzis Court Case (Click this link to read court case)

HE LEFT MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WITH FINANCIAL HARDSHIP AND OUT OF POCKET BY FALSIFYING SHARE PRICES IN A COMPANY, NO COMPENSATION WAS EVER GIVEN TO ANY OF THEM. HE ONLY MADE $7000 AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS, WHY DID HE NOT USE HE ROULETTE SYSTEMS THAT HE CLAIMS HE HAS HAD FOR OVER A DECADE IF THEY REALLY WORKED?

It is because he is simply a chancer and manipulator, fraudulently obtaining money from people with exaggerated claims to instant wealth using his devices, yet all his claims are backed up with cheap words and tricks in order to lure you in.

STEFANO HOURMOUZIS EXPOSED!

... more - (Dead link: http://www.stefanohourmouzis.com/)
 

ScottH

Well-Known Member
#4
I would be hesitant to send 2k to someone that hasn't proven 100% trustworthy. The risk of it being a scam is just too high to warrent forking over 2k, in my opinion.
 
#5
Hey zengrifter,
Yeah, I have read over Mark Anthony Howe's site before (I guess I forgot to mention that in my original post). Stefano actually refutes a great deal of Howe's claims at http://www.genuinewinner.com/markhowe.htm I tend to take issue with Howe's claims, or at least with the way in which they are presented. I think my biggest problem with Howe is that he just seems so frantic and nutty. His site is very haphazardly thrown together, and he makes his claims with almost too much mania. On the other hand, Stefano seems very calm and collected, and gives reasons for his refutes with sound logic. In other words, at the very least, Stefano has clearly won the debate (again, that's not saying anything to the truth of any of it).

You said Howe is a person you respect--can you speak to that some? i.e., how do you know Howe, and what about him do you respect, etc.
 

ortango

Well-Known Member
#7
As Scott said above, there are cheaper, legitimate sources of information.

Secondly, the number one giveaway of a scam system seller is the promise to secrecy. They claim that it is to preserve their "homemade" system but it is actually to prevent buyers from going to real expert and finding out that they have been robbed.:cow:
 
#8
Hey everyone,
I definitely appreciate all of this feedback.

Sonny--Stefano gives the "advantage player" system 3 out of 5 stars, which is about 3 stars more than he gives anything else besides his own systems. He does recognize its effectiveness, however, he claims that it is a bit impractical, as it relies too heavily on biased wheels for its success. It is a pretty slick little package though, with a ton of good info.

ScottH and Ortango--this is good general advice. However, I wish there was someone who could tell me specifically about Stefano and his system. If you are interested, you really gotta check out some of his site. It really is uncannily convincing. Browse over these in particular if you have a few minutes:

http://www.genuinewinner.com/proof.htm
(Dead link: http://www.genuinewinner.com/custom.htm) (this is the form players use to send Stefano spins for him to generate "custom variants." Note the extensive detail on this page alone)
(Dead link: http://www.genuinewinner.com/faq.htm)
(Dead link: http://www.genuinewinner.com/contact.htm)
http://www.genuinewinner.com/markhowe.htm

Thanks guys
 
#9
Is Genuinewinner a real winning system?

HI Folks

I am Stefano’s acclaimed Competitor, yet seriously, he cannot compete with me. I have superior products that we have developed ourselves, I was the first to give a public demo with a major Newspaper http://www.guardian.co.uk/gambling/story/0,,1873910,00.html
and film Company.

Stefano claims I use fake names, but at the same time claims that no casinos have records of me been banned from winning. Its a contradiction in itself.

Stefano states never to purchase from anyone that does not use their real name, yet Stefano is actually Steven George Hourmouzis`, type his name in Google and find out the truth. Try http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/, even though its also aimed against me, I don't really care, without evidence, it can be taken with a pinch of salt.

Stefano (Steven George Hourmouzis) actually claims at his site in his own words that he has had workable roulette computers for over 10 years, if so, why did he commit fraud only 7 years ago and do time in prison for only 7000 Australian dollars, why not use his roulette computer or system instead?

Stefano claims I spread malicious lies about him, yet at my site his Lawyers could not find one bit of evidence that was not true, so it remains on Google, its been there for some time now!
The court paper ( You can view this yourself and obtain a link from the Australian Government at the site) states for a FACT that Stefano was selling Study Guide material from his mummy and daddy’s home and earning an irregular income, in other words not cutting it, why would he be doing this if he has had workable roulette computers for over a decade?

He Claims he is an Energy Researcher, yet no evidence, only a Joe Cell in his mothers Shrubbery, basically simple science that you would do in high school, but Stefano thinks that there is some sort of free energy going on there, not plain old simple Electrolysis of water. It is a broad Definition to claim to be an Energy Researcher, from simply anyone reading up on this topic to NASA could claim the same. But, the question remains, what has he contributed to this area of Expertise, nothing, no evidence, only misguided direction of a trickster.

Stefano claims my computers do not work on level wheels, yet they was developed for level wheels and can actually play both, I can give anyone a long list of users to verify this, or come and see for yourself. My New mobile phones are twice as small as Stefano’s and beat his computers hands down.

His paper system is the biggest con ever, initially, before I studied it at great length, I posted on a message board that it seemed interesting and different to other systems and that they could be something in it. Immediately, he posted that I had reviewed his product and that it worked on his site. I immediately emailed him stating that I categorically not tested it and for him to remove the article stating that I had endorsed it someway.

After studying it, I realised it was complete dross, just another silly paper system that cannot work. He claims that casinos accept this is a winning method, please show us where, I would lve to know. Using Chi Squared patterns when Croupiers are changed frequently would not be able to give you progressive patterns like in his footage, what he is actually doing is simple Dealer signature, yes folks, never bet until the Croupier has released the ball, he can and does spin against you.

Can I back up what I say , yep, download the footage, save it to your computer, I have it, to show people that do not understand how this is done that will be placed on the net soon.

Note the consistency of the rotor speed and the and release point of the ball. In particular, note the number that is at the exact opposite diamond from where he releases from, its the number he predicts, coincidence, nope, just simple trickery. I can show anyone how to do this in about 2 hours, this information has been just submitted to the Department of Trade And Industry in Australia. Now , common sense tells you, if he has to perform tricks, Lie about his name, how long he has had winning systems, use dealer signature to con you, then what about his other products, his roulette computers, why not be legitimate if one of your products works, why does he need to add this fake paper system if he really has a workable roulette computer?
His challenge is a con, A newspaper contacted him in Australia and challenged him, he was all for it, they started drawing up a time and a place.
Then the crunch came for Stefano(steven Hourmouzis), they were to get a trained Croupier to spin the ball on a genuine level wheel( Remember, these are the only ones found in casinos these days according to Stefano), he immediately declined stating that he was busy with his Energy research!

If his system predicts on patterns, I will challenge him now on this board for a public demo in the UK where I will spin the ball and he can use one if his so called nine patterns to try and beat me. The last time I asked for him to show me his staking money, he offered me opal stones that he had dug up as a child that he claimed were worth 1 million dollars, but declined me stating for him to turn it into cash from the bank if it was genuine, anyone can ask Turbo at gamblersglen.com to verify this. The Vegas Casinos backed me with my 1 million immediately on this message board, they have my computer!

Oh, and it was so easy with these nine patterns and anyone could use it, how come Scott Bucannan From Scotland (Degree Educated)could not use it recently, the most recent person to contact me in a long list of people who luckily, after me giving them some advice, were able to obtain a refund through their credit card company MBNA bank card in this case. Anyone wanting to look at Stefanos system for free, here is what you do, clear it with your credit card company first that you are fully insured for scams or faulty goods and wish to purchase something online. You can look at it for free and once you realise like many others that it cannot work in the casinos, just issue a refund with your credit card company .Don't ask Stefano for one, you have not got a chance in hell of a refund through him. Also ask him about Stephen Ballino from Hawaii, another person conned by Stefano, when Ballino asked for his money on a public message board, stefano just laughed at him and said he was a fool. Alternatively, come and visit me, I will show you the silly system for free and how he does the scam.

The only condition for me accepting to entertain My Hourmouzis in a test of his silly paper system, which is actually a waste of my time is that I am allowed to publicly pay for some of the people he has conned with this system to be personally present when he does this and when it does not work, to issue the large amount of people their monies back plus travel and accommodation for these people that I will fund personally. He will also be asked to allow me to show where he lives publicly and his outstanding Mortgage on his property

Stefano claims I live in a £110,000 house in Sheffield, the house he mentions is actually worth approximately £250,000 if you check on the net and type in 10 Gartrice Grove ,Halfway ,Sheffield. The house use to be one in my portfolio , that I have rented out from time to time, I have not owned that property for some years now and I am not the one registered as living their nor have I ever been registered as living there. He also claimed I lived at 10 Gartrice Gardens, now which is it Steven, make your mind up! . Most people that visit me come to my offices or one of my rented properties , only a small handful ever came this address. Converted to Australian Dollars this is around 600,000 Australian Dollars anyway, the same value as his parents home on Yileen Court,Donvale , Australia tha he claims is an exclusive area? Again, not his home that he claims is in the Wine Country of Doncaster ,which he has an outstanding mortgage with only 8% of thr property paid for, where is his millions?

It was funny that one of the arresting officers that viewed one of his websites mentioned in court that he was a bit of a waltty mitty Character and lived in a world of make belief because, working from home, he had claimed he been offered several million for his web site on his own website!
Why do the crime and the time for only $7000 Au dollars if you could have sold Stefano ,come on!

What a tangled web we weave . . .

Its soon to blow up in your face , you will see why very shortly ..

Mark Anthony Howe
 
#10
Oh and Stefano Hourmouzis also claims a few other lies.

hi Again folks

Stefano also claims I have not got workable mobile phone roulette computers and cannot beat level wheels. Level wheels are indicated by seeing the ball come down at various points around a track rather than one location on a tilted wheel.

Anyone can check out my site at http://www.predictroulette.com/ and see the footage themselves.

There will be footage soon showing why stefanos genuinewinner system is a scam also.

Regards

Mark Howe
 
#11
st3 raw, you sound like Stefano himself directing new suckers to his site!

Hi there ST3 Raw

My apologies if I am wrong, but you started this thread and seem to be convinced that Stefano is genuine somehow and seem to be directing alot of traffic with all those links above to his site.

YOu make comments about my character after reading my site and state the following'
quote,

I think my biggest problem with Howe is that he just seems so frantic and nutty. His site is very haphazardly thrown together, and he makes his claims with almost too much mania.
ST3 Raw
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My Comments
My Site http://www.predictroulette.com/ is has been done in PHP by a professional company, not knocked up in front page like the self acclaimed millioniare Stefanos DIY page that he has done himself, my site contains some of the best roulette mathematics and explainations ever devised for roulette right on my site.

It is pretty obvious you are Stefano Hourmouzis. Funnily enough, this thread should be left to show how pathetic you are actually are, even then you are exposed as really been nutty by genuine members of the public, I refer to your insane ramblings of the illumanati, stefano you are seriously sad!

LOL

Mark
 
#12
Heres my opinion, both Mark and Steve sell trash for lots of money. If you really have a genuine interest in roulette check out the following forum which is free to join.

gambling.projectsydney.com

There is loads of excellent discussions there including talk about both steve and mark and reveiws about their systems
 
#14
Dealer Signature used by genuinewinner to scsam people!!

Warning folks

Stefano Hourmouzis, real name Steven George Hourmouzis is bein investigated by the authorities in Australia and the US yet Again!

After some investigative work, we took screen shots of when Stefano releases the ball in his video, he is clearly using Dealer Signature that all Croupiers know about, in other words, nothing is predicting where the ball will go, all he does is look at the number under the diamond opposite, pretty simple, but people are rushing to get their money back as a Court case ensues to prosecute this guy yet again.

So Gentleman, avoid

http://www.genuinewinner.com/
http://www.roulettecomputers.com/
(Dead link: http://site-promotion.com)

We have published this pics which clearly shows Stefano releasing the ball and calling the number coming just under the opposite diamond. We have got his full video here for ytou to watch showing how dealer signature is employed by this Fraudster and criminal.

If you have purchased his product, you are entitled to a full refund armed with this evidence, a case is been put together right now, or contact the Melbourne Police who are dealing with any complaints and also the Department of Trade and Industry. You can also contact me for further information regards prosecuting this character.

If you wish to watch the footage, and see the screen shots, go to:

(Dead link: http://computeroulette.com)

Stefano Hourmouzis is now seriously Burnt toast!

Regards

Mark Howe
[email protected]
http://www.predictroulette.com/
 
#15
Dealer Signature used by genuinewinner to scam people!!

Dealer Signature used by genuinewinner to scsam people!!

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Warning folks

Stefano Hourmouzis, real name Steven George Hourmouzis is bein investigated by the authorities in Australia and the US yet Again!

After some investigative work, we took screen shots of when Stefano releases the ball in his video, he is clearly using Dealer Signature that all Croupiers know about, in other words, nothing is predicting where the ball will go, all he does is look at the number under the diamond opposite, pretty simple, but people are rushing to get their money back as a Court case ensues to prosecute this guy yet again.

So Gentleman, avoid

http://www.genuinewinner.com/
http://www.roulettecomputers.com/
(Dead link: http://site-promotion.com)

We have published this pics which clearly shows Stefano releasing the ball and calling the number coming just under the opposite diamond. We have got his full video here for ytou to watch showing how dealer signature is employed by this Fraudster and criminal.

If you have purchased his product, you are entitled to a full refund armed with this evidence, a case is been put together right now, or contact the Melbourne Police who are dealing with any complaints and also the Department of Trade and Industry. You can also contact me for further information regards prosecuting this character.

If you wish to watch the footage, and see the screen shots, go to:

(Dead link: http://computeroulette.com)

Stefano Hourmouzis is now seriously Burnt toast!

Regards

Mark Howe
[email protected]
http://www.predictroulette.com/
 
#16
Dealer Signature used by genuinewinner to scam people!!

Morphic
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Never place your bet until the Croupier has released the ball, Scam used same skill!

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This is just to warn you guys interested in roulette computers or systems sold by Stefano hourmouzis in Australia who has affected honest people that produce genuine roulette computers like myself. I have worked with the authorities recently after studying his footage that is claims is predictions using a roulette system that he sells for Thousands, in fact, he influences the ball where to fall, a technique know by casino staff.

Hi there

It may be worth taking a look at this footage using Dealer signature to predict area of a wheel, most Croupiers can do this, but this one individual Stefano Hourmouzis is doing it claiming he has a magical system, authorities now looking into it in Australia.
Check out the systems first at
http://www.genuinewinner.com/
http://www.roulettecomputers.com/
(Dead link: http://site-promotion.com)

Check out the full video of this conman halfway down this sites index page

(Dead link: http://computeroulette.com) and see how I have captured his dealer signature influence to produce the results, so this is actually a scam!!

If this guy is doing this, casino Croupiers can do it also, which I have know about for a long time, so that means they have a greater edge than the one that is given by LAW OF THE LAND!

mark howe
[email protected]
http://www.predictroulette.com/
 

RJM

New Member
#19
Mark Howe and his rubbish

I dont think there are many forums left for Mark. Did you know he's now banned from just about every forum because all he ever does is:

1. Promote his simplistic computers
2. Lie about competitors to boost his sales

I'm sure a self-professed millionaire spends his time doing this. He's actually nearly broke. The man is a fraud.

Did you know he's being charged for even lying about a UK government lab and the UK Gaming Commission having tested his computer? It's true, do your research. The man is insane and lies about everything. People that know him think he's a joke.

If you look at http://www.genuinewinner.com/markhowe.htm and (Dead link: http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com) and read, you see what a clown this man is.

As for Stefano, I am one of his players. I have both Marks computer and Stefanos computer. Before I was going to buy stefanos computer, Mark was going on and on about it being pathetic and that I was wasting my money. Stefanos computer is light years ahead of Marks. It isnt even a comparison.

You know, Mark's computer has a few different programs. One is just 6KB. Do you know how small and simplistic a 6KB program is? As for Mark's technology, he buys it from suppliers, he doesnt make it himself like he claims. Once you actually research this man, you cant possibly take him seriously.

To admin: about time you banned him. But be aware he'll almost definitely be back under a fake name. Thats what he does on many forums.
 

RJM

New Member
#20
About the system

Just forgot.. I have stefanos system too. At the bottom of stefanos site is says:

"My system is a collection of every known effective technique to beat roulette, and many relatively unknown techniques. This includes but is not limited to visual ballistics, the primordial variants, dealer signature, sector targeting, bias analysis, and custom variants (9 different pattern types that are exhibited on roulette wheels). No "single" technique is relied upon. Where a particular technique can't be applied, almost certainly at least one other can to overcome the house edge on a specific wheel. The techniques have been sourced primarily from my own research (energy research similar to that in the publication "Living Energies" by Callum Coats), but also from that of globally recognized roulette professionals and organisations including but not limited to TCS John Huxley (yes, the roulette wheel manufacturer) and Steve Forte (although his particular publication "Casino Game Protection" is rather limited with regards to beating roulette), and even privately hired physicists and mathematicians that cost me a small fortune. My system does not deal with fiction - just genuinely effective and proven techniques that even the casinos themselves acknowledge are effective."

Part of Stefanos system uses dealer signature but I dont use that part. Stefanos even says that. Stefano is an honest and good man. Before buying I checked to see f the authorities had a case against him like Howe claimed. They dont. They never did. Mark is lying. I hate to see jerks like Mark Howe lie and try to tear him down. I hope people do not believe the rubbish Howe says.
 
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