try and be an idiot

jack.jackson

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#2
Pickin-n-Grinnin

sagefr0g said:
You can call me whatever you like, it really dont matter to I. Im also known as G-Money.:laugh: I have alot of fun with it, and my friends like it as well.

Im more of an Innovator, as oppossed to an "Idiot Savant". I once Tied 782 Hellium Balloons to my body, to see how far I would float. Well to make a long story short, I ended up In Egypt on top of one of the Pyramids....I,ll never do that again:confused:

I Myself to, have took a little Interest In Harmonica's. My friend had a nice 7 Key set once. What I couldnt figure out is why, there wasnt 12? Arent the shaps and flats on the Inhalation? I think so, not sure.

As for Myself, Im strictly a Acoustic Rhythmn Guitar player. Along with some pretty fancy Pickin and Pluckin(Leads just seems to tough for me, especially on Acoustic.) I have the up-most respect for lead-guitarist.

Here In the near Furure, after I figure a few things out, I will E-mail you an Attachment, with some of my own stuff(((Spiritual Music))). Need a Month or Two, of Solid Practice, along with a new set of Strings. Currently experimenting with the Sound Recorder Installed on my Computer. (Only 1yr computer experience) Gettin there. Vamoose!


Sound of Silence/Mother and Child Reunion:violin: Paul Simon
 

sagefr0g

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jack said:
You can call me whatever you like, it really dont matter to I. Im also known as G-Money.:laugh: I have alot of fun with it, and my friends like it as well.

Im more of an Innovator, as oppossed to an "Idiot Savant". ....
yeah so you do though know the differance between making music and playing notes. maybe you can play some music with out hardly thinking about it?
this savant here just apparently knows music but he can't apparently count a note although he recognizes them and can reproduce them.
don't know how he really does it but he seems to be able to bypass any thought of the technical aspects of making music and just does it. although he did have a music tutor. his tutor seemed to think that he is able to relate to sound, notes and music as a child with out the corrupting influence of needing to attach meaning to all that as a normal person would.
i just know that when i count cards i'm constantly baraged with useless, needless thoughts, imaginations of patterns and significances, worrys over results, irritation over awareness of how bad the current advantage is, or over excitement of how good the current advantage is, feelings of boredom, hopelessness, hopefulness all that kind of needless baggage. seems when i try and let go and just concentrate on the count i get this uneasy feeling as if i'm going to lose my ability to responde adequately with respect to the table etiquette of the game. sort of like when your playing poker and it's your turn to do what ever and someone has to wake your up and inform you it's your turn dummy sort of thing lol.
anyway as far as skill counting-wise it's that sort of stuff i think holds me back a lot. but like for basic strategy plays and departures i can pretty much do that mindlessly like a savant lol. maybe i just need more practice counting so that it would come more natural for me just as basic strategy does.
lol thanks for the ear.
 

jack.jackson

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sagefr0g said:
yeah so you do though know the differance between making music and playing notes. maybe you can play some music with out hardly thinking about it?
this savant here just apparently knows music but he can't apparently count a note although he recognizes them and can reproduce them.
don't know how he really does it but he seems to be able to bypass any thought of the technical aspects of making music and just does it. although he did have a music tutor. his tutor seemed to think that he is able to relate to sound, notes and music as a child with out the corrupting influence of needing to attach meaning to all that as a normal person would.
i just know that when i count cards i'm constantly baraged with useless, needless thoughts, imaginations of patterns and significances, worrys over results, irritation over awareness of how bad the current advantage is, or over excitement of how good the current advantage is, feelings of boredom, hopelessness, hopefulness all that kind of needless baggage. seems when i try and let go and just concentrate on the count i get this uneasy feeling as if i'm going to lose my ability to responde adequately with respect to the table etiquette of the game. sort of like when your playing poker and it's your turn to do what ever and someone has to wake your up and inform you it's your turn dummy sort of thing lol.
anyway as far as skill counting-wise it's that sort of stuff i think holds me back a lot. but like for basic strategy plays and departures i can pretty much do that mindlessly like a savant lol. maybe i just need more practice counting so that it would come more natural for me just as basic strategy does.
lol thanks for the ear.
Daydreaming while your Counting......hey I like that.....

This is why its Important to take Breaks. If I had a Nickel for all the times, Ive woke-up, out of a daze, while counting cards.... I'd have 15 cents.

Its Kinda of a psychological thing. Mind over Matter..Cause if you dont mind, it dont matter. I use to do certain experiments to my GF, while she was in a REM sleep mode to see if I could wake her up. First, to test my theory, I would talk in a casual tone and say all kind of things. She Wouldnt wake-up! Second. I would then, very specifically tell her.... She was Sleeping, and that I was talking to her, and that she could hear me talking to her. Maaan, she would wake up everytime. It was like, she was coming out of some kinda Hypnosis or something:laugh: I Recommend you try it. It works!

Now Where was I........................................ :confused: .........................scratch head............................:eek: ................................OH YA!......... Anyway back to the card counting thing, it really does take an Incredible amount of concentration. Its only natural to become a little disoriented from time to time. Its always a good Idea to put your practice skill into parts or cateragory's. Find the area, if any, thats giving you the most trouble and hone in, on it. Just play your game, and dont worry about winning or losing because thats irrelevant. Play according to the count, and treat as a Business, because that's exactly ehat it is, in and over time you'll do just fine. Theres been times, when practicing, Ive lost 50 to 60 hrs straight, and without bating an eye, won everything back, and then some, in about 20hrs.


Ps Sage. I seen that Episode on 60min about a year ago.

Have you heard about the future cure for cancer with RadioWaves? Exciting stuff. I was gonna quit smoking.
 

sagefr0g

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#5
:cool2:
jack said:
Daydreaming while your Counting......hey I like that.....

This is why its Important to take Breaks. If I had a Nickel for all the times, Ive woke-up, out of a daze, while counting cards.... I'd have 15 cents.
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right blackjackavenger took me to school on that one. i tryed it out and yeah breaks can make the differance.
jack said:
Its Kinda of a psychological thing. Mind over Matter..Cause if you dont mind, it dont matter. I use to do certain experiments to my GF, while she was in a REM sleep mode to see if I could wake her up. First, to test my theory, I would talk in a casual tone and say all kind of things. She Wouldnt wake-up! Second. I would then, very specifically tell her.... She was Sleeping, and that I was talking to her, and that she could hear me talking to her. Maaan, she would wake up everytime. It was like, she was coming out of some kinda Hypnosis or something:laugh: I Recommend you try it. It works!
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lol i doubt that's gonna work with my wife. she knows after 30 years how full of crap i am. she'll wake up when she's good and ready. :(
jack said:
Now Where was I........................................ :confused: .........................scratch head............................:eek: ................................OH YA!......... Anyway back to the card counting thing, it really does take an Incredible amount of concentration. Its only natural to become a little disoriented from time to time. Its always a good Idea to put your practice skill into parts or cateragory's. Find the area, if any, thats giving you the most trouble and hone in, on it. Just play your game, and dont worry about winning or losing because thats irrelevant. Play according to the count, and treat as a Business, because that's exactly ehat it is, in and over time you'll do just fine. Theres been times, when practicing, Ive lost 50 to 60 hrs straight, and without bating an eye, won everything back, and then some, in about 20hrs.
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yeah i know that stuff intellectually. what ever it is maybe some kind of primordial thing i guess kicks in and my mind wants to wander. makes my counting sort of stultified i guess is the word for it. but yeah practicing the skill part in categories sounds good. like keeping the RC so as if to make it like reading or typing so as if it's a mindless sort of automatic thing and not a drudgerous sort of chore. never have been able to attain that level of skill.
thats why i've been trying to make a go of this fuzzy count thing. make a skill into it and it's all of a sudden a fun thing. but if i could make it to that level on the RC i'd have it going on.
jack said:
Ps Sage. I seen that Episode on 60min about a year ago.

Have you heard about the future cure for cancer with RadioWaves? Exciting stuff. I was gonna quit smoking.
yeah i saw that radio waves thing. pretty neat stuff. hope it works. sounds like they are on to something. much as i smoke i hope they hurry up with it.
 

jack.jackson

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#6
I tell ya what. Lets start a Marathon BJ session and see how long it takes each one of us, to attain 5,000$. Using only 10-100(1-10) spread.

The Game

2Decks,face-up,H17,Da2,DAS,Splitx4,RSA,5/8pen,No cover play,You and Ghost player vs Dealer(2plyr)BR,5,000$

I will be completely Honest with my results, as Im sure you will as well:)

If your up for this, I will set the Time Increments. For example, 2hrs a day.
(since I practice Super-fast, we should determine how many hands per hour we actually play)

Are you up for this?

Do you have a couple decks of cards and some felt to play on?
 

sagefr0g

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#7
jack said:
I tell ya what. Lets start a Marathon BJ session and see how long it takes each one of us, to attain 5,000$. Using only 10-100(1-10) spread.

The Game

2Decks,face-up,H17,Da2,DAS,Splitx4,RSA,5/8pen,No cover play,You and Ghost player vs Dealer(2plyr)BR,5,000$

I will be completely Honest with my results, as Im sure you will as well:)

If your up for this, I will set the Time Increments. For example, 2hrs a day.
(since I practice Super-fast, we should determine how many hands per hour we actually play)

Are you up for this?

Do you have a couple decks of cards and some felt to play on?
sounds good but i got two problems with that. :eek:
i only know how to play 6deck s17das,nrsa,lsr 65%pen five players to where i can spread to two hands. gotta be a nickle table.
lol i'm a specialist in crappy games.
1:10 spread is ok.
five grand bank would be fine. ok for the five grand goal.
the other thing is i'd wanna use cvbj instead of real cards.
other wise fougetaboutit i'd be a lost puppy. :cat:
two hundred hands a day is fine. my cvbj logs testify to my veracity.
 

jack.jackson

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#8
sagefr0g said:
sounds good but i got two problems with that. :eek:
i only know how to play 6deck s17das,nrsa,lsr 65%pen five players to where i can spread to two hands. gotta be a nickle table.
lol i'm a specialist in crappy games.
1:10 spread is ok.
five grand bank would be fine. ok for the five grand goal.
the other thing is i'd wanna use cvbj instead of real cards.
other wise fougetaboutit i'd be a lost puppy. :cat:
two hundred hands a day is fine. my cvbj logs testify to my veracity.
It sounds as if, your a little Intimidated by double deck? Dont be! If you can keep a fuzzy count with Multiple deck, then DD wont be a problem.

A few Questions?

1. Would you be willing to give DD a try?(Ill answer any questions you may have)

2.10$ units are actually easier to calculate than 5$ units. Why only 5$units?

3. Which system are you using again? Please dont say a Unbalanced one....lol

4. Usually I go w/ H17&DAS or S17,NDAS as a General rule of thumb. Which do you prefer?

5. The main difference will be, the Method in which you calculate your TC. By 1/4 or 1/2 deck is essential.

Todays the day you learn DD. Ya? The Time Has Come.
 

sagefr0g

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#9
jack said:
It sounds as if, your a little Intimidated by double deck? Dont be! If you can keep a fuzzy count with Multiple deck, then DD wont be a problem.

A few Questions?

1. Would you be willing to give DD a try?(Ill answer any questions you may have)

2.10$ units are actually easier to calculate than 5$ units. Why only 5$units?

3. Which system are you using again? Please dont say a Unbalanced one....lol

4. Usually I go w/ H17&DAS or S17,NDAS as a General rule of thumb. Which do you prefer?

5. The main difference will be, the Method in which you calculate your TC. By 1/4 or 1/2 deck is essential.

Todays the day you learn DD. Ya? The Time Has Come.
would love to be able to play double deck. if there was low table min's and decent penetration games in my area. there are not. so for me at present they are an impractical exercise.
so on the questions:
1. i 'd prefer not trying the DD. gotta hold out for six deck. :p
2. ok i could live with the $10 unit and min
3. hi/lo is my system (true calculated per 1 deck resolution)
4. i could go with the s17,NDAS (yuck)
5. that would be beyond my scope

i've conceded to some of your stipulations. can you go with the six deckers?
other-wise i fear the battle of the titans may never happen. the match of the century. :rolleyes:
do you have cvbj?
 

jack.jackson

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#10
6 Decks are fine!

sagefr0g said:
would love to be able to play double deck. if there was low table min's and decent penetration games in my area. there are not. so for me at present they are an impractical exercise.
so on the questions:
1. i 'd prefer not trying the DD. gotta hold out for six deck. :p
2. ok i could live with the $10 unit and min
3. hi/lo is my system (true calculated per 1 deck resolution)
4. i could go with the s17,NDAS (yuck)
5. that would be beyond my scope

i've conceded to some of your stipulations. can you go with the six deckers?
other-wise i fear the battle of the titans may never happen. the match of the century. :rolleyes:
do you have cvbj?
Unfortunately I dont have cvbj. But I believe, the Randomness of the cards are the same. Unless you were planning on Attaching your results, I dont see a problem here. Even then my word is a good as gold.
Since I dont have cvbj to keep track of the # of hands played, we will keep the # of players, shoes played, & pen the same.;)

So here's what I go so far:

1. 6 Decks!

2. 75% Pen, okay

3. NDAS,S17,RSA,Nsr,

4. 3plyrs(Yourself Included)

5. (5 or 10 shoes per day) you pick.

6.Play-all(?)

7. 300 shoes Total.(30 or 60 days)

8. 5,000$ BR

9. 10$ Min Table.

10. Max Spread: 1-20 Sound Okay.

If theres anything you would like to add or subtract, please do so. Then will get started:) Kasi you want in?
 

sagefr0g

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jack said:
Unfortunately I dont have cvbj. But I believe, the Randomness of the cards are the same. Unless you were planning on Attaching your results, I dont see a problem here. Even then my word is a good as gold.
Since I dont have cvbj to keep track of the # of hands played, we will keep the # of players, shoes played, & pen the same.;)

So here's what I go so far:

1. 6 Decks!

2. 75% Pen, okay

3. NDAS,S17,RSA,Nsr,

4. 3plyrs(Yourself Included)

5. (5 or 10 shoes per day) you pick.

6.Play-all(?)

7. 300 shoes Total.(30 or 60 days)

8. 5,000$ BR

9. 10$ Min Table.

10. Max Spread: 1-20 Sound Okay.

If theres anything you would like to add or subtract, please do so. Then will get started:) Kasi you want in?
would it be ok to say re-splitting aces not allowed and make the max spread
1-10 ...... and make it play-all and shoot for five shoes per day?
shoot for see what happens once we reach 300 shoes is that the idea?
but is the idea these are practice rounds to where you really try to play by the book? nother words none of this fuzzy count stuff, fuzzy bets or tournament play techniques. right?
 

jack.jackson

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sagefr0g said:
would it be ok to say re-splitting aces not allowed and make the max spread1-10 ...... and make it play-all and shoot for five shoes per day?
Sure, no problem. I usually use bigger spreads, the longer it takes The Ball to roll in to my court, but the 1-10's :cool:(.56 HA) Ill probably just use a 10,50,50x50 bet spread then. If the 5,000$ was for real money, I'd probably go full Kelly: with RA play's:laugh: Thrown in with a little Wongin:whip:

sagefr0g said:
shoot for see what happens once we reach 300 shoes is that the idea?
Yes. I'll set up a ScoreBoard or Something(Got it already figured out) we'll post our results, per every 30 shoes. I'll post first, to Showcase my Noble Sportmanship.

sagefrog said:
but is the idea these are practice rounds to where you really try to play by the book? in other words none of this fuzzy count stuff, fuzzy bets or tournament play techniques. right?
Right! It's pretty much the only way I practice. Bring your A-Game and give it the best you got. Lets call it a Challenge if you wish. Hell it might even be a little exciting. However, I see the object of the exercise, more like a Incentive to practice and comparing eachothers results with a friend:eyepatch:

sagethepoisoniousfrog vs jackthehammerjackson....:laugh:
 

sagefr0g

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jack said:
Sure, no problem. I usually use bigger spreads, the longer it takes The Ball to roll in to my court, but the 1-10's :cool:(.56 HA) Ill probably just use a 10,50,50x50 bet spread then. If the 5,000$ was for real money, I'd probably go full Kelly: with RA play's:laugh: Thrown in with a little Wongin:whip:



Yes. I'll set up a ScoreBoard or Something(Got it already figured out) we'll post our results, per every 30 shoes. I'll post first, to Showcase my Noble Sportmanship.



Right! It's pretty much the only way I practice. Bring your A-Game and give it the best you got. Lets call it a Challenge if you wish. Hell it might even be a little exciting. However, I see the object of the exercise, more like a Incentive to practice and comparing eachothers results with a friend:eyepatch:

sagethepoisoniousfrog vs jackthehammerjackson....:laugh:
looks like we are on the same page. you wanna re-summarize it all? still need to know if it's gonna be no re-split aces. then we should be good to go.
man i am pumped! look out jackthehammerjackson....
 

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jack.jackson

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#15
you innocent

sagefr0g said:
looks like we are on the same page. you wanna re-summarize it all? still need to know if it's gonna be no re-split aces. then we should be good to go.
man i am pumped! look out jackthehammerjackson....



No re-split! Ill re-summarize it, here in a spell.

PS. Nice pix sage...lol
 

Kasi

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#16
jack said:
Kasi you want in?
Can I just play the crappiest game I can find on the internet that's re-shuffled after every hand, record the number of hands I play, and just use my Fuzzy Betting? :grin:

I mean employ my unigue AP card-counting system that I will define when it's done lol.

FB vs AP lol.

Good heavens it'd take too long to double a roll anyway using card-counting lol.
 

sagefr0g

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#17
Kasi said:
Can I just play the crappiest game I can find on the internet that's re-shuffled after every hand, record the number of hands I play, and just use my Fuzzy Betting? :grin:

I mean employ my unigue AP card-counting system that I will define when it's done lol.

FB vs AP lol.

Good heavens it'd take too long to double a roll anyway using card-counting lol.
naw man. it's gonna be played according to some sim done the right way. an it's just gonna be for 300 shoes not the double the bank first put forth.
close to this sim i guess.
edit reset for s17daslsr
 

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jack.jackson

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blackjack avenger said:
Why not go to a free public bj site and sit at the same table and play. Yahoo has an interesting game
Thanks Avenger. I tried looking for this game, but couldnt find it. Sounds very Interesting. Can you put in, a url?

On a sidenote Im sure sagethepoisonousfrog would opt to stick with his cvbj.
 

jack.jackson

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Kasi said:
Can I just play the crappiest game I can find on the internet that's re-shuffled after every hand, record the number of hands I play, and just use my Fuzzy Betting? :grin:

I mean employ my unigue AP card-counting system that I will define when it's done lol.

FB vs AP lol.

Good heavens it'd take too long to double a roll anyway using card-counting lol.

sagefr0g said:
naw man. it's gonna be played according to some sim done the right way. an it's just gonna be for 300 shoes not the double the bank first put forth.
Correct! Its best to set a limit, as we have done. I personally know how tough multiple-decks are, especially in a play-all enviroment. Its a challenge just to break even. Im actually shooting for a grand(3$pershoe) but without sims, im not exactly sure what my expected ev should be.
 

sagefr0g

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jack said:
Correct! Its best to set a limit, as we have done. I personally know how tough multiple-decks are, especially in a play-all enviroment. Its a challenge just to break even. Im actually shooting for a grand(3$pershoe) but without sims, im not exactly sure what my expected ev should be.
jack,jackson oh fearful continence re-check my response to Kasi. i put a quicky sim attachment on it. but i might try and revamp it. but that one just gives a ballpark idea of the game. it's for seven players i18 $5000 bank 1:10 spread, rational bets.......
 
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