Do Players Clubs Flag AP Players?

Diver

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#1
Is it likely in checking in with a rep from a player club that you can get an indication if you are flagged in some way? I was backed off at one MGM property but played at another one, MB, for the next two days, using my card at both locations. Six months later, I played for several days at the MB again with no problem---except in one seession, a floor manager glared at me to the point that a friend who was with me but not playing commented on it. I wasn't winning big or betting big in that short session, so it made me wonder if they are tolerating my play as long as it's modest. Of course he might have just disliked the goofy convention badge I wore prominently :cool: I'll be back in LV, staying at another MGM property where I'd like to accrue points but would much rather play the attractive games without undue attention. So to the point, if I check in with a rep and ask about my status and how much I need to play to earn some comps, etc. is that conversation apt to elicit a comment that could tip me off if there's a problem?
 

FLASH1296

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#5
Zen Grifter is correct. It varies widely.

Long ago I was playing DD at a center strip store and was in the process of being shown the door, while a host stood by trying to give me his business card. He was oblivious to what the angry Pit Critter was growling at me.

Quelle bizarre !
 

Diver

Well-Known Member
#6
strategy

EasyRhino said:
I'm pretty darn sure the computer has room to store if you're a suspected or confirmed advantage player or cheat.
Sounds like the cautious thing if I want to get in some play at another MGM property is to not use my players card there until late in the trip. I'd probably get pressed to take out a card but that would be better than being watch closely if I've been flagged as a maybe counter. The property I'll be at has good conditions for my level of play and I don't want to miss the opportunity. I plan to move around to avoid too long at one joint but this will be a home base for a good part of a week. But to my original question, I suppose even if the players club rep saw a flag, they wouldn't have any reason to say anything.
 

FLASH1296

Well-Known Member
#7
caveat

Is it safe to assume that you are aware that all players who are R.N. ("refused name") on the floor person's
pad are automatically watched until the pit is comfortable with their degree of ordinary ploppiness ?

As virtually all "ordinary citizens" want their comps, it makes the (refusing) player very conspicuous.

Making clever excuses such as "I don't want any more junk in my mailbox", or "My wife's got no business
knowing where I am" etc. will fall on deaf ears, and if anything make them pay a bit of extra attention to you.

Never underestimate the enemy.
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
#8
Not necessarily true for all MGM properties and he was talking MGM

FLASH1296 said:
Is it safe to assume that you are aware that all players who are R.N. ("refused name") on the floor person's
pad are automatically watched until the pit is comfortable with their degree of ordinary ploppiness ?

As virtually all "ordinary citizens" want their comps, it makes the (refusing) player very conspicuous.

Making clever excuses such as "I don't want any more junk in my mailbox", or "My wife's got no business
knowing where I am" etc. will fall on deaf ears, and if anything make them pay a bit of extra attention to you.

Never underestimate the enemy.


Sit down at a $10 or $15 table at the MGM Grand in Vegas and no one will ever ask you for a card and if you present one to the pit they will refuse it and tell you that they only rate players who average a $25 bet.
So, you will not garner immediate attention but once you start to spread from $10-$150 or so, they just might then evaluate you.
The same casino will definately question why a large better does not want comps and will evaluate him from the go.

ihate17
 
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blackchipjim

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#9
club flags!

I would say yes the majority do if you are a regular or have hit them up for a small bundle. The place I frequent just puts me in without my card which is kinda spooky but what the hell. They leave me alone for the most part because they can't figuire me out yet. Of course I can't figuire me out yet either.:laugh::laugh::laugh: blackchipjim
 

sagefr0g

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#10
blackchipjim said:
I would say yes the majority do if you are a regular or have hit them up for a small bundle. The place I frequent just puts me in without my card which is kinda spooky but what the hell. They leave me alone for the most part because they can't figuire me out yet. Of course I can't figuire me out yet either.:laugh::laugh::laugh: blackchipjim
good luck them ever figuring me out.:angel:
 
#11
Sometimes they aren't sure if you are a "good" CC'r or a genuine "AP."* The casinos with the capability of making notations in its comp system, may make a notation such as "SKILLED" in this case.* In modern times, the casinos know that a "bad" CC'r may play perfect BS (usually the first symptom of the virus) but will also lose a whole hell of lot of money over the long-run.* (i.e.: a bad CC'r may inproperly size their bets and eventhough they know BS, the count and the proper playing decisions, they may grossly over-bet or play too many negative counts~"under-betting.")* That type of bad CC'r may also look similar to a guy who plays perfect BS with some sort of quake-pot betting scheme.Also, they may look similar to a "good" comp whore.* And lastly, a "good" CC'r may look similar in their eyes as well.My point is that most of the time, they just don't have the capability of seperating genuine APs from all the rest of my examples.* So, sometimes they use a VAGUE term such as "skilled" so that you may receive half your already smalll comp value for playing blackjack.* Also, it could warn them that they should watch you for a few minutes.Another vague term may be something like "CALL" so that the eye in the sky could be warned of your presence.* This is all just to give them an edge over other casinos without "huge comp clubs."* Many casinos would not bother with such warnings in their comp system but will just do it the old fashioned way--observe your play when possible and/or warranted and then decide on what course of action they will take.* The problem with the old-fashioned method is that they run the risk of KICKING OUT A LOSER.* For example, you could be a great counter, spreading from 50 - $1,000 in a shoe game (a serious threat) but your total bankroll may only be $10,000.* And sure, you're up a couple Grand but should they kick you out so that you lose in another casino or just let you play and give you whatever comps you ask for until you lose your entire bankroll?
 
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