Very, Very odd thing in one AC casino..

#1
Hi y'all- just got back from my first trip to a US casino, went to one of the "better" ones in AC that ive read in many places uses 6 decks. So i sit down at one table during a shuffle, and start trying to make conversation with the dealer and pit boss. I ask a bunch of newbie questions (im no pro myself, but i like to seem even worse off than i actually am), and then the other dude at the table asks how many decks are in play. Before the dealer could open her mouth, the pit boss jumps in and asserts "8 decks. every game here is 8 decks." The dealer nods her head in agreement and adds "its because we used to offer 4 and 6 decks but there were too many counters." Now im never gonna write a book on deck estimation, but i believe im competent enough to be able to tell the difference between 6 and 8 decks, and there were most DEFINITELY 6 DECKS! This happened more than a couple of times with different dealers in different pits and in every case if the pit boss was near they would always jump in proclaiming that these were in fact 8 deck games, when i could clearly see they were 6. I was thinking maybe they want to try and discourage wanna-be counters from the games, but then wanna be counters are the ones that the casinos make a lot of their money from! and any decent counter would be able to tell the difference from 8 and 6 decks! sorry for the long post but this struck me as very very odd.. would love to hear what you guys think about this...
 

kewljason

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#2
If you are referring to Borgata, They most definately are now using 8 decks on some tables. Some pits are 6 decks, some 8. You have to look around. My guess is that as time goes on they will switch to more and more 8 deck games. :( So much for the "new and differnet" casino in AC. If you are referring To Tropicana, its news to me. I played there two weeks ago and were plenty of six deckers. It wouldn't surprise me though. I figure their 4 deck games would draw counters and wouldn't last long. Ahh the joy of AC!

I can't see why the pit would lie about the number of decks, as it's easy enough to find out when they open a table.
 
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peaegg

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My guess the op is talking about the Trop. As I said in the AC forum, the 4D games are gone. There are still some 6D there but 8Ds are back. The changes must be very recent. When I talked to a dealer, she said it must be 8D because her hands were a little small to hold the all the cards. I don't see why the pit boss would lie. It could be the floor man who claimed as 8 decks because most of their floor men are clueless.
 

callipygian

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#4
sruly2020 said:
would love to hear what you guys think about this
I think the chances of someone who has practiced deck estimation being wrong about the number of decks is less than the chances of the pit being wrong about the number of decks. They may have misfilled an 8 deck table with a 6 deck shoes. If they believe that 8 decks will magically stop counters where 6 decks fail, all the better for counters.

Whatever you do, don't point out their mistakes to them.
 
#5
callipygian said:
I think the chances of someone who has practiced deck estimation being wrong about the number of decks is less than the chances of the pit being wrong about the number of decks. They may have misfilled an 8 deck table with a 6 deck shoes. If they believe that 8 decks will magically stop counters where 6 decks fail, all the better for counters.

Whatever you do, don't point out their mistakes to them.
That's true, there's a store where I usually play where 100% of the AP surveillance is on the 6D tables. You can do literally anything you want on the rest of them, including cheat if that's your thing.
 

kewljason

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#6
callipygian said:
I think the chances of someone who has practiced deck estimation being wrong about the number of decks is less than the chances of the pit being wrong about the number of decks. They may have misfilled an 8 deck table with a 6 deck shoes.
I would agree with this statement except that the poster said it was his first trip, not only to AC but to a US casino as well. Perhaps he is used to thicker cards.
 
#7
kewljason said:
I would agree with this statement except that the poster said it was his first trip, not only to AC but to a US casino as well. Perhaps he is used to thicker cards.
Good point but in my pursuit of decent deck estimation skills I made it a point to buy casino-used cards for exactly this reason. Granted they are from vegas casinos but u think there's a difference? Also is it ok if I saythe name of the casino or is it better left anonymous?
 
#8
peaegg said:
My guess the op is talking about the Trop. As I said in the AC forum, the 4D games are gone. There are still some 6D there but 8Ds are back. The changes must be very recent. When I talked to a dealer, she said it must be 8D because her hands were a little small to hold the all the cards. I don't see why the pit boss would lie. It could be the floor man who claimed as 8 decks because most of their floor men are clueless.
U know what, I think you're right; it was the floorman not the pit boss. But still you'd think the dealers would know! But the strangest thing was that it was as if they were all told to lie to the patrons, from the way they all answered. It seemed almost forced especially with the floormen
 

21forme

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#9
Automatic Monkey said:
That's true, there's a store where I usually play where 100% of the AP surveillance is on the 6D tables. You can do literally anything you want on the rest of them, including cheat if that's your thing.
Make that 99%. Betting 2 hands of purple got me noticed in the 8D area and backed off the next time I was there.
 

kewljason

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#10
sruly2020 said:
U know what, I think you're right; it was the floorman not the pit boss. But still you'd think the dealers would know! But the strangest thing was that it was as if they were all told to lie to the patrons, from the way they all answered. It seemed almost forced especially with the floormen
Article 7 of the New Jersey Casino Control Act, outlines conditions of operations. Under this provision the casino is required to avoid deception or frequent distraction of players at gaming tables. I think "lying to patrons" constitutes deception. Why would they risk this? far easier to actually make the games 8 decks if thats what they wanted.
 

shadroch

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#11
If it were I, and I cared, I'd have stood there and counted the cards dealt out. If around 200 cards are out and the shoe looks 2/3rds done, it's six decks. If the count reachs 313, you know it's eight.
 

kewljason

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#12
shadroch said:
If it were I, and I cared, I'd have stood there and counted the cards dealt out. If around 200 cards are out and the shoe looks 2/3rds done, it's six decks. If the count reachs 313, you know it's eight.
leave it to a card counter to want to count the cards.:laugh:
 

Kasi

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#13
shadroch said:
If it were I, and I cared, I'd have stood there and counted the cards dealt out. .
That was my first thought lol.

Heck, I used to count the first 52 cards anyway just to see how much space they took up in the discard rack so maybe later I'd have a better of idea of decks dealt lol.
 
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