banned at foxwoods; mohegan sun?

#1
Hey, to be brief, i've been banned at foxwoods (actually held to table minimum) and was wondering if this ruling translates over to mohegan sun as well. So for anyone banned at foxwoods and tried to play at mohegan, what is your experience? also, what are the games like at mohegan?

Thanks much.
 
#2
gallin432 said:
Hey, to be brief, i've been banned at foxwoods (actually held to table minimum) and was wondering if this ruling translates over to mohegan sun as well. So for anyone banned at foxwoods and tried to play at mohegan, what is your experience? also, what are the games like at mohegan?

Thanks much.
I'm flat-bet at Mohegan, although I sneak a little play in every now and then. Not really worth it though with the poor pen and no comps (being I'm banned.)

The casinos have nothing to do with one another, little if any communication. In fact I don't think they like each other very much. Foxwoods' highway signs take people to their casino the long way so they won't drive past Mohegan.

How the hell did you get in trouble at Foxwoods? I've been playing stakes just like yours for years now with no heat.
 

sabre

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#3
I'm also curious as to why you were banned at Foxwoods. I've been playing there with no cover and large bet spreads for quite awhile. ($15/$25 - 2x $350+) How much of your play was in the Newport room?

Mohegan has about 30 6D tables with 1.5 - 2.5 cut off in the casino of the earth. Table min $10-$25. There is also a high limit section with about 12 6D tables with $50 min and NMSE.

I'm not sure of the conditions in the casino of the sky. Mostly 8D with bad pen last time I checked.
 
#4
sabre said:
I'm also curious as to why you were banned at Foxwoods. I've been playing there with no cover and large bet spreads for quite awhile. ($15/$25 - 2x $350+) How much of your play was in the Newport room?
Oh heck, don't play in there! There's no advantage to it. A 6D game NMS is crap compared to a 8D game with the same pen where you can come and go as you please.

sabre said:
Mohegan has about 30 6D tables with 1.5 - 2.5 cut off in the casino of the earth. Table min $10-$25. There is also a high limit section with about 12 6D tables with $50 min and NMSE.

I'm not sure of the conditions in the casino of the sky. Mostly 8D with bad pen last time I checked.
Mohegan has other 6D tables open on the weekend, in the Sky near the Sunburst buffet. Pen is also mediocre at best. With the weak pen at Mohegan and the fact that I can add over 20% to my EV with the comps at Foxwoods, I can't justify very much play at Mohegan.
 

sabre

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#5
I haven't played at all in the Newport room, nor do I plan to anytime soon. But I've heard that most Foxwoods backoffs have involved Newport play. I was curious if that might be a factor in the OP's backoff.
 
#6
here's the post i made:

"I played at foxwoods 4 times in the past few months, for maybe 10 hours each time. I was counting, hi-lo, spreading 25 to 400 with my bets. When at 400 I was generally playing 2 hands of $200 to disguise it a bit. I didn't put any emphasis on camoflauge, I simply wasn't willing to sacrifice any of my edge for longevity. Anyway, after getting up one time, a supervisor came over and said he'd been informed by surveillance that i'm a skilled player and can only play table minimum from now on. Obviously, that's as good as barring to a card counter. So yes, they will ban you for counting, albeit nicely. I'm not sure if this mean's i'm also banned at mohegan sun. the ownership is different there but they may communicate. anyone know about this?"

So my bet spreads were very wide. Something contributing to it might have been that one of the pit bosses was a proficient counter and he might have taken a closer look and noticed how i was playing. but no, I never played int he newport room. Maybe they are just getting a little bit tougher.
 
#8
I want to take a shot at mohegan. AM, can you describe the comp situation there. What it takes for a room, do you get dollar for dollar for merchandise and food, etc.? It seemed from you post that foxwoods' comps are much better. Please let me know why.

i'm probably heading in there Sunday or Monday. Let me know if you're in those parts as well.
 
#9
gallin432 said:
I want to take a shot at mohegan. AM, can you describe the comp situation there. What it takes for a room, do you get dollar for dollar for merchandise and food, etc.? It seemed from you post that foxwoods' comps are much better. Please let me know why.

i'm probably heading in there Sunday or Monday. Let me know if you're in those parts as well.
Comps are pretty much the same at Mohegan as Foxwoods, but being I'm banned at Mohegan I can't give them a player's card, so I don't get the comps. Both stores do it on a dollar-for-dollar point system.

The best dollar value for your comps is gas. Foxwoods gives you $100 gas cards for $175 in player's points. Mohegan will let you fill up your tank at their grossly inflated gas station. So Foxwoods is a better deal in that respect. Mohegan has a shopping mall with high-end mall stores that you'd recognize, like Brookstone's, Godiva, Swarovski at normal mall prices so if you buy a lot of that stuff, Mohegan comps increase in value. Foxwoods shopping offers phony Indian stuff and overpriced jewelry, and some outright horrific restaurants. (The only things you want to eat in Foxwoods are from Fuddrucker's or the Hard Rock Cafe. Don't even eat the olives in the free martinis- they're the ones that rotted on the salad bar at the buffet.) I don't buy cigarettes so i don't know what kind of value you can get there, but Foxwoods will also give you a $100 CVS (or Lowe's) card for $150 in points.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#10
My one and only visit to Foxwoods,I had the misfortune of eating at The Hard Rock.If that is the best they have to offer,I'm glad I don't get up that way.
 

Bojack1

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#11
Something also to be looked at with Mohegan comps is that they work in conjunction with a travel agency that takes comp points as money for booking trips. Be aware that the exchange is not fair as you will use 1.6 points per dollar for it, but if you are playing a winning game and are also accumulating points, it can fund a complete trip to anywhere with no money out of pocket. Its a good way to save on expenses for trips out of state. Again, some might find the exchange rate a bit much, but if you can travel to Vegas with no expense, and at the same time saving your Vegas comps , it might be worth looking into.
 

ChefJJ

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#12
As a side note to this thread, which of those two casinos do you guys prefer? What kind of table minimums/ranges are offered?

Thanks & good luck
 
#13
ChefJJ said:
As a side note to this thread, which of those two casinos do you guys prefer? What kind of table minimums/ranges are offered?

Thanks & good luck
Foxwoods is usually less crowded and with much better average pen. The shuffles are identical except for Mohegan using a plug for the discards, which makes cutoff tracking impracticable. But at Mohegan one can play other games for an advantage.

The table limits are similar. Be prepared to play a $25 minimum bet if you want to actually get into games.
 

bj bob

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#14
Automatic Monkey said:
The table limits are similar. Be prepared to play a $25 minimum bet if you want to actually get into games.
So with this scenario, with the house anticipating an overall 2% adv. they have, in effect established a $.50 ante for a minimum better....very clever!
 

Stoney

Active Member
#16
Automatic, I hate to disagree

Ive been playing for a year and a half a Foxwoods, every week. I usually play for about 6-8 hours at a clip, I started out with a 500 bankroll, and have got it up to about 7k, I also had to pay off my wife a few grand worth of winnings so I could keep going. With the bigger bankroll I've been betting more aggressivley latley and I guess it caught up with me. Last night I got backed of to one hand of $25 at Foxwoods so I went to Mohegun where I have played a few times. Within an hour and a half of walking in the door I got the same speech. The thing is the biggest spread I got at Mohegun was to go from $15 on one hand to 50 mabey 75 on two and I did that only once. I have to believe a call was placed, I've got 500 to 600 hours of play in the last year or so and have never been spoken to. Then to have it happen twice in one night??
Thing is, the conditions at Foxwoods were great that night, a $25 min table, which I have been starting to play with the bigger bankroll, cutting off just under one deck and heads up play to max of 2 other players at the table. I started at 10pm and by midnight I was up 1,400 and the night was early!! My max bet so far that evening was 3 hands of $125, I just didnt believe anyone was paying attention becuase I had played there so much and had never been bothered.
What do I do now?
 

daddybo

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#17
I've never played at FW or MS .. although I probably will this summer. It's been my experience that since the casinos have slowed down (due to the economy) they are coming down harder on the BJ Games..I don't usually get backed off.. but I have been a couple of times lately.. This might not be the case at the above mentioned stores...
 

shinyam

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#18
I used to live in Providence and Boston, and would go almost every day to both Foxwoods and Mohegan. What everyone says is true. Mohegan has terrible pen, about two decks to two and a half. Foxwoods is about one and a half. I've seen dealers cut only about a half deck off. One dealer even cut about a quarter off.

When I went moved to Toronto, all my info changed (address/phone). I visited my friend in Boston one day and went to Foxwoods. Before I played, I updated my Player's Card info to reflect my new address. I think that was the big mistake. Seeing that I was no longer a local, the supervisor must have been more wary of my play. I was spreading from $25 to $400 (two hands). I was told that I could no longer play blackjack there. I immediately drove to Mohegan, and within minutes I was told that I was not allowed to play. Prior to this, I had played for years at both casinos. I don't think I even upped my bet prior to being barred from Mohegan. There is definitely communication between the two casinos, I'm sure. If you're barred from one, don't go to the other on the same day, or even month. Wait a while.

Above all, when you get a player's card, make sure you use a local address, even if it's fake.
 

Pro21

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#19
shinyam said:
I used to live in Providence and Boston, and would go almost every day to both Foxwoods and Mohegan. What everyone says is true. Mohegan has terrible pen, about two decks to two and a half. Foxwoods is about one and a half. I've seen dealers cut only about a half deck off. One dealer even cut about a quarter off.

When I went moved to Toronto, all my info changed (address/phone). I visited my friend in Boston one day and went to Foxwoods. Before I played, I updated my Player's Card info to reflect my new address. I think that was the big mistake. Seeing that I was no longer a local, the supervisor must have been more wary of my play. I was spreading from $25 to $400 (two hands). I was told that I could no longer play blackjack there. I immediately drove to Mohegan, and within minutes I was told that I was not allowed to play. Prior to this, I had played for years at both casinos. I don't think I even upped my bet prior to being barred from Mohegan. There is definitely communication between the two casinos, I'm sure. If you're barred from one, don't go to the other on the same day, or even month. Wait a while.

Above all, when you get a player's card, make sure you use a local address, even if it's fake.
Did you not learn your lesson? If you had not used a players card at all you would have had no problem when you went in to play. You got backed off because of something that was in your file.
 
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