Replinishable Bankroll Q??

White Guy

Well-Known Member
#1
How would you play with a replinishable BR?

Set aside a BR for a set period of time??

For instance:

Playing 60 hours one month in Vegas I set aside 5k to play with if I lose it or some of it I wait till I have another 5k to set aside if I double great play next month the same way. Once I reach 20k do the same with 10k and so on?? Or something along those lines.. Essentially how I have always played but not as organized..

I realize ROR on say 40k is the same regardless of the amount of $$ you have in your pocket or at the casino at a time. This way just seems like a way to be aggresive and not have to worry about your whole BR instead just worry about month to month for a supplemental player with other income sources.

Anyone play this way? How much could you spread to in 60hrs with a 5k BR keeping your ROR below 25% on a 6deck vegas game?? What would your EV be for those hours??

I ordered CVCX just recently but have not received it yet.. I assume that is a scenario I can run with it once I get it.. Just wondering if anyone else uses this approach??

Thanks
 

Mimosine

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#2
i can't address your specifics, but I max bet as if I have 130% of what I really have in the bank. I can deposit money any time if need be, ROR is obviously higher than max bet = 1% of total BR. I have never tapped out using this strategy and haven't made a deposit in over 8 months playing roughly 15-25 hours a month.
 

White Guy

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#4
zengrifter said:
Replenishable 'virtual BR' is an acceptable method IF you
add to the BR regularly whether you win OR lose. zg
Thats what I was thinking.. How would one go about that or figuring a strategy for something like that?
 

ohbehave

Well-Known Member
#5
Using Zen I come up with a spread of 10-100 giving a win rate of about $21/100 rounds with a ROR of 18%. HiLo would get somewhat less $$.

A more aggressive spread of 10-125 gets $29/100 rounds with 29% ROR.

Both games assume wonging out at less than -1.
 

callipygian

Well-Known Member
#6
White Guy said:
zengrifter said:
Replenishable 'virtual BR' is an acceptable method IF you
add to the BR regularly whether you win OR lose. zg
Thats what I was thinking.. How would one go about that or figuring a strategy for something like that?
You treat the rate at which you replenish your bankroll as EV with zero variance and calculate your numbers based on that.

So if you play 100 hours a month and put aside $500/month into your bankroll, then add $5/hr to your win rate when calculating your ROR and/or bet spread.

Remember, you MUST replenish whether you win or lose to be effective.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
#7
White Guy said:
How would you play with a replinishable BR?

Set aside a BR for a set period of time??

For instance:

Playing 60 hours one month in Vegas I set aside 5k to play with if I lose it or some of it I wait till I have another 5k to set aside if I double great play next month the same way. Once I reach 20k do the same with 10k and so on?? Or something along those lines.. Essentially how I have always played but not as organized..

I realize ROR on say 40k is the same regardless of the amount of $$ you have in your pocket or at the casino at a time. This way just seems like a way to be aggresive and not have to worry about your whole BR instead just worry about month to month for a supplemental player with other income sources.

Anyone play this way? How much could you spread to in 60hrs with a 5k BR keeping your ROR below 25% on a 6deck vegas game?? What would your EV be for those hours??
Well, I could be way off here, but, first of all, it doesn't even sound like you mean a "replenishable roll" which assumes adding regular amounts to roll at regular time intervals. That's how I interpreted "wait till I have another 5k to set aside if I double great play next month the same way". Replenishable rolls are not based on whether you win or lose in a given time period - they are based on replenishing the roll at some regular time interval.

Anyway, it sounds to me, you just want to take $5K on a 60 hr trip. If you lose $2.5K that trip, next trip you take $5K again whether that 60-hr trip is next month or next year. Even, it sounds like, if you win $2.5K that rip lol.

But, I'm with you in the sense there's nothing wrong with taking $5K for 60 hours and betting to an imaginary lifetime roll that you don't have access to for that 60 hrs should you happen to lose that $5K in 60 hours.

Just as "ROR on say 40k is the same regardless of the amount of $$ you have in your pocket or at the casino at a time", so is the risk of losing $5K of that roll over 60 hours whether roll is $40K or $100K.

With the caveat that a trip roll, I think, generally assumes a risk of losing that roll "at some point" as opposed to "finishing" 60 hours with no roll.

It can be sort of important because, often, as a general rule, I think the chances of finishing down x "at some point" can be double or more the chances of "finishing" at that point since, if you have enough roll, half the time you would have recovered from that earlier point.

Use a trip roll calculator with a trip of 1000000 hrrs and your trip risk will be about the same as what halving your lifetime risk was with the same units. I think lol.

Long way of saying, sure, you can do that. There's alot of calculators out there that take into account of "achieving x before losing y" with either a time limit or no time limit. Just use the right one lol.

You can set a trip risk for your $5K accordingly. Once you have your sim and have your unit-EV and unit-SD per round. Which can't change per round no matter how much money (units) you have in your roll, real or imagined roll, lol.
 

White Guy

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#8
Cool thanks Kasi that is what I was thinking.. It is the same thing just a different perspective on it. Tomatoe Toe ma toe... Good point on the re coup though.. That is something to take into account that I didn't consider.

The virtual replinishable roll is very interesting as well. I am going to research that more for sure..

Thanks
 
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