What you should know if you try to buy BC
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Sucker said:
(I guess you COULD count as a gain; the fact that he's impressed his readers with how "clever" he is). 
But it's not a PERSONAL problem with THAT person. I have never personally had a negative interaction with him; to my knowledge he has never done anything to slight me in any way. It's just that I have a problem with ALL writers who reveal top secret information (especially when the revelation of the secret affects ME).
This author is not the first one who has made people upset and he won't be the last. When Thorpe came out with "Beat the Dealer" he pissed off the APs of the day. When Uston revealed HC information in his first book 35 yrs ago he single-handedly destroyed 95% of all HC play for MANY years, and it STILL hasn't fully recovered; and it never WILL.
As far as my statement about an author trying to impress his readers - Every person who has ever written a book on ANY subject is basically "tooting his own horn". That doesn't make them a bad person; that's just human nature.
RJT
Your main points seem to be:
1.) I do not deserve this info/I am going about getting it the wrong way
2.) I have poor etiquette
3.) This post is useless
1.) I got most of the info I wanted by asking questions.
2.) True, we agree in principal, however I see a distinction here.
3.) I disagree. I have already recieved a PM inquiring about my story from someone who wants to purchase the book. My experience will be helpful to this person. This post has also helped me. See post #4.
I posted this here because i am welcome here. The author made it very clear he has no desire to talk to me, so I am not going to post on that site.
Lastly, you say that I haven't put much thought into this. This is just wrong. I thought about what the best post I could make would be, and what the probably responses would be. In the end I got what I wanted at the cost of burning a bridge that the author had already set aflame from his side. The same can be said for some of my other posts on this topic. I pushed the limits and got some responses. I will also admit that anger toward the author motivated the post. It is my opinion that he handles this topic poorly, and the general public should know his attitude toward book sales. Anyway, the interesting part of my story has been edited out by the mods, so it doesn't really matter anymore.
Ill let you have the last word if you want to respond. I will fade away and profit quietly from here on out, occasionally posting and exchanging mutually beneficial PMs with the few friends I have here.
Your main points seem to be:
1.) I do not deserve this info/I am going about getting it the wrong way
2.) I have poor etiquette
3.) This post is useless
1.) I got most of the info I wanted by asking questions.
2.) True, we agree in principal, however I see a distinction here.
3.) I disagree. I have already recieved a PM inquiring about my story from someone who wants to purchase the book. My experience will be helpful to this person. This post has also helped me. See post #4.
I posted this here because i am welcome here. The author made it very clear he has no desire to talk to me, so I am not going to post on that site.
Lastly, you say that I haven't put much thought into this. This is just wrong. I thought about what the best post I could make would be, and what the probably responses would be. In the end I got what I wanted at the cost of burning a bridge that the author had already set aflame from his side. The same can be said for some of my other posts on this topic. I pushed the limits and got some responses. I will also admit that anger toward the author motivated the post. It is my opinion that he handles this topic poorly, and the general public should know his attitude toward book sales. Anyway, the interesting part of my story has been edited out by the mods, so it doesn't really matter anymore.
Ill let you have the last word if you want to respond. I will fade away and profit quietly from here on out, occasionally posting and exchanging mutually beneficial PMs with the few friends I have here.
You're right you don't. You were lazy and expected to have everything handed to you. After that you behaved in an untrustworthy fashion. If you got this sensative information, shame on the person who shared it.
There is no questioning that - hence it being a forum rule here and on just about every other forum on the net. The etiquette issue really just served as the highlighter why you ultimately failed to obtain a copy of the book however. Had you thought through your behaviour before you acted you would have stood a much greater chance.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and something that all of us have huge qualifications in. Thought before action is a lot more difficult.
RJT.
There is no questioning that - hence it being a forum rule here and on just about every other forum on the net. The etiquette issue really just served as the highlighter why you ultimately failed to obtain a copy of the book however. Had you thought through your behaviour before you acted you would have stood a much greater chance.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and something that all of us have huge qualifications in. Thought before action is a lot more difficult.
RJT.
Speed of the game makes it unlikely to be used live. Not saying it's not possible - realisticly computer teams have done a lot more than just imput the rank of the card during play as would be required to detect counting. But those teams were motivated by self interest a far more driving force than 'my boss wants me to'.
I've used strategy calculators on live games online and even with the slow pace of the game it can be tough at times to get all the information inputed and the results out quickly enough.
Now that's not to say they couldn't be running down a shoe you just played while you play the next.
RJT.
I've used strategy calculators on live games online and even with the slow pace of the game it can be tough at times to get all the information inputed and the results out quickly enough.
Now that's not to say they couldn't be running down a shoe you just played while you play the next.
RJT.
That's what I thought, but I didn't know firsthand. I do know they use the software after a back-off in reports to higher management, sort of like a justification and explanation for their actions. A counter in surveillance, of course, can spot most counters rather easily. The other lugs don't have a clue between someone who just bets big from time to time and someone who just bets big in positive counts. They will also likely be slow in inputting data from the tape into the software. It's amazing how much money casinos invest in surveillance equipment, yet how poorly trained/skilled some of their surveillance crew are. I guess the fact that you don't know what is on the other side of the black globes in the ceiling is somewhat of a deterrent to out and out thievery. But what a way to run a business!
I do think that the fears of well-informed bosses and surveillance are a little much. I'm sure most surveillance people have heard of HC play, but to be able to understand it, much less recognize it is a whole different thing. And frankly, I still think there are many casinos that have no idea that their carnival games are even vulnerable in the first place. The cat may be out of the bag regarding HC and other advanced plays, but I don't think that means as much as a lot of people may think; as such, talking openly about such techniques since they're "already known" by casino personnel may not be wise.