Can we trust on line Casinos?

#1
Im a little dubious to say the least about playing these on line casinos.
Are they really impartial, ie. offering the same chance of winning (or losing!) as a real life casino?

Are they monitored?

As I see it, as any computer programme can be programmed to react in a certain way, then the chances of winning are completely wiped out?

Excuse my ignorance if I am wrong.

Thanks,
Tina
 
#2
i'll go out on the chopping block here. The only problems i have heard about from online casinos and closing accounts of bonus abusers. People who deposit and play only at bonus times then withdrawal.

As far as legitimacy of the actual games, i believe they are fair. In my opinion all of these games already have a house edge, why cheat. You are pretty much guaranteed to make money off your players, you get caught cheating you will lose so many customers that in my opinion its not worth it.

Some of the reasons it appears maybe unfair is people claim they win, cash out then all of a sudden can't win a hand, "The Cashout Curse". Or they go through a drought where almost every bet they place loses. You have to keep in mind that when playing online you play a lot more hands. For example, in a live casino you probably play 45-60 hands an hour at blackjack. Online i can play 500-600 hands an hour. Now a losing streak or bad run that only appears once every 10 hours at a live casino will appear once an hour online. While the dealer online seems to not be able to break at times, where every 16 makes 20 or 21 and i always seem to break i have also seen the reverse as well where my crap hands turn into winner and my 17's keep winning against a dealer high card when he turns over a 6 in the whole and busts on the next card.

I have won money at several online casinos and lost at several others and IN MY OPINION everything seems legit. Many others will disagree but thats ok by me..... My simple response is if you don't trust them then don't play on them.

Stinkus
 

KenSmith

Administrator
Staff member
#3
Nice summary stinkus. I agree that the speed of games online is a big factor in people's perception of the games. It's a lot easier to notice a multi-hand losing streak when the losses all happen in a matter of seconds. At a land-based casino, it's harder to notice that you lost a number of hands in a row, because the game pace is slower, you're talking with other players, and dealing with interruptions by the cocktail waitress, etc. Online, there's nothing to distract you from those losing streaks. And, losing streaks are inevitable, online or land-based.
 

mgcasinos

Well-Known Member
#4
Check all the details of the casino before you play it.

Such as their license ,reputation ,monthly payou reports, player reviews.

Google it for these infos.


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mickpk

Active Member
#5
I'm an online casino player and I have full confidence that you receive a fair game. As mentioned, the main problems likely to be encountered won't be being cheated (because they don't need to, they've got the house edge, though I can't discount there are rogue casinos out there), the main problem will be being denied your winnings because you didn't follow the terms of a bonus fully or the casino concerned is just a pain to deal with and makes you provide inordinate amounts of identity to process your withdrawal. Some use this as a delaying tactic in the hope (and often successfully) that you will reverse your withdrawal and play and lose. Resist that temptation!

Most online casinos are really easy to deal with. They allow you to deposit and withdraw via online money wallets, eg Neteller, with ease. I've played well over 300,000 online hands and the outcome is well within expectations. I gathered a sample from friends and others that I know that play that totalled over 1.7 million hands and the playing edge for that sample was about 0.45%. Just to give you an idea what that means; it means that for such a result to be possible for a sample of that size that the house edge could not have been 'tweaked' any worse than 0.8% (at 3 standard deviations). But the more realistic situation is that the house edge was indeed as expected, somewhere about 0.5% (rules can vary from casino to casino).

Play with confidence. Play with bonuses and make some money as well.
 

ranran

Well-Known Member
#6
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ranran

Well-Known Member
#8
counter-fit said:
before i ask, i will admit that i am not the sharpest tool in the shed;

why would you play where you have no chance at gaining an advantage?
Bonus Hunting - Many of these Casinos have sign up bonuses.

Advantage - If you check the strategy charts. Some of these places actualy have rules that favor players.

Location - If there are no Casinos close to where you live, internet casinos are convenient.
 

mickpk

Active Member
#10
Absolutely! Unless the wagering restrictions on the bonus equate to more than 200 times the value of the bonus then, yes, absolutely you will make money. On some bonuses the profit margin is 90% of the bonus. Read the terms of the bonus, do the math and work it out. It's easy.
 

ScottH

Well-Known Member
#12
TinaSparx said:
I take it that it is impossible to count cards playing online casinos?
It depends on how far they deal into the pack of cards. All online casinos I know of shuffle too frequently to make counting practical. On some sites you could count, but you would have to use a huge spread to beat the game. The simple answer is no, don't bother trying to count online.
 
#13
I'm a lurker, thought I'd hop on for a tic.

I don't play online anymore. I'm not sure how other people make money doing this but it seems like every time I'm up, the dealer suddenly goes 20 for 20 in hands and I've lost everything I had. It's happened every time I play online, which bugs me. The Kiwi plays aussie style so sometimes you can get a good split and go 19/20, put out like 100 bucks and then the dealer has BJ, showing a Q and flipping and ace. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or anything, but I can't seem to get ahead playing online.
 
#15
On-line casinos

On-line casino software seems to have been programmed to reduce the player chances of winning, especially if you try increasing bets.

That's my feeling on the subject.
 
#16
stinkus said:
The only problems i have heard about from online casinos and closing accounts of bonus abusers. People who deposit and play only at bonus times then withdrawal.
do people experience this often? and has anybody found a way to succesfully camouflage their play?
 
#17
Yes, if you play at well known casinos you can trust them.
I play online since 4 years and I never had problem because I choose the sites. I dont play at every possible site, only at the sites that I see advertisements on tv or that my friends play there or the sites that everyone knows.
Also I have played for bonuses on many casinos and never they closed my account, you should know how to do it. The best way is after you deposit to play slowly for 3-4 days, not do it all for 1 hour and withdraw. In this way they will never have reasons to close account.
 

N&B

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#18
Not a word about secondary programming and its legality. Every single on-line casino I've visited has no disclaimer. They guarantee fairness. Programming fairness is tantamount to a secondary program, if it isn't an outright one.

Example of a secondary (illegal in Nevada) :

A video Poker payout chart indicates a 5-coin bet has a 99% payback (1% House Edge), but it drops 1 coin per 100 entered. Thus one gets 99% of 99% or a hair over 98% return (2% House Edge).

Consider a Blackjack table with a 99.5% payout that drops 2 units per 100 bet. If you vary the bet it will take an average and drop twice that amount. Many if not all software availible and in use by on-line casinos have this option.
 
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KenSmith

Administrator
Staff member
#19
N&B said:
Many if not all software availible and in use by on-line casinos have this option.
Huh? I think most people that have played much online at reputable places would dispute that statement.

I no longer play online since the UIGEA passed. But when I did, I never had any reason to doubt the fairness of the games at the most respected online casinos.

Although I can't really make sense of N&B's statement about fairness, I think most people agree that a game is fair if it accurately mimics a brick-and-mortar game's randomness. In other words, the game must use a random number generator to deal random cards without altering the dealt cards according to the situation.

One further point, to clarify my initial claim: In all my online play, which was quite a lot, I was actually AHEAD of expectation for the play of the games themselves.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
#20
KenSmith said:
Huh? I think most people that have played much online at reputable places would dispute that statement.
I no longer play online since the UIGEA passed. But when I did, I never had any reason to doubt the fairness of the games at the most respected online casinos.
Although I can't really make sense of N&B's statement about fairness, I think most people agree that a game is fair if it accurately mimics a brick-and-mortar game's randomness. In other words, the game must use a random number generator to deal random cards without altering the dealt cards according to the situation.
One further point, to clarify my initial claim: In all my online play, which was quite a lot, I was actually AHEAD of expectation for the play of the games themselves.
I no longer play either but also never had a reason to dispute the fairness where I played.

The dollar size of my bet never seemed to matter either.

I guess like you, as luck would have it, I finished 200+ flatbet units ahead, across all games, assuming I actually would have flat-bet every hand for 6-7 years lol.
 
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