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Mr.M

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#1
First with the the count system , I forgot the name. Aces are -1, 2 and 3 are +1, 4-5-6 are +2, 7 +1, 8-9 are 0, and ten value is -2. Is there a simpler version than the one with all the indices( not sure what its called, but thats the term I know) on when to stand and hit and deviate from basic? The version that somebody left the link to was extremely difficult to memorize. Unfortunately having no job and kids I don't have the time to study this and play now. Or am I better off sticking with the Hi Lo that I know?

Secondly I have a $8k bankroll, what is the Best unit bet and bet spread I can use to minimize my losses but allow a possible win of + 300 to 700 factoring in a little toking? Is this even possible?

Also do you walk in with your bankroll till you win what you set your limit, or do you walk out if it just isn't your night. I have been in and out, if the cards aren't oink I leave even if I lose $50 and call it a night or may go to another casino?

Any help would be appreciated. I know I got some answers last time I asked, just trying to get more feedback, knowledge is POWER.
 
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Xur

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That count is the Zen count. There are indices for the Zen count in both True Count (divide RC by # of decks) then there are also the indices for True Edge (Blackbelt in Blackjack by Arnold Snyder goes over this).

Neither are really simple and as with most indicies take time and effort to memorize.

I am no pro...but if you want to give me the game conditions i can see what cvcx gets and give you a run down of some options...but i'd say 300-700$ wins with an $8k br seems a bit high...tho i guess it depends on how many hours played...
 
#3
Hello Mr.M,

You need to read up on standard deviation, and research how that affects short term (one night) and short term (a hundred hours) results. You can easily win or lose 300~700 each night. If you are expecting to average $500 a night playing blackjack, you are out of your mind. With all due respect, if you have no job and take care of kids, you shouldn't be looking for a quick way to make money, especially through gambling.
 
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Mr.M

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non-self-weighter said:
Hello Mr.M,

You need to read up on standard deviation, and research how that affects short term (one night) and short term (a hundred hours) results. You can easily win or lose 300~700 each night. If you are expecting to average $500 a night playing blackjack, you are out of your mind. With all due respect, if you have no job and take care of kids, you shouldn't be looking for a quick way to make money, especially through gambling.

Your probably right, but you only live once. I'm going for broke here. I have a backup plan if this fails so I wont letting my kids starve.
 

Mr.M

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#5
Xur said:
That count is the Zen count. There are indices for the Zen count in both True Count (divide RC by # of decks) then there are also the indices for True Edge (Blackbelt in Blackjack by Arnold Snyder goes over this).

Neither are really simple and as with most indicies take time and effort to memorize.

I am no pro...but if you want to give me the game conditions i can see what cvcx gets and give you a run down of some options...but i'd say 300-700$ wins with an $8k br seems a bit high...tho i guess it depends on how many hours played...

6 deck
DD
Stand 17
DAS
Surr.


DDECK
same rules no surr.
 
#6
Bankroll

Just between you, me and the fencepost... an $8000 bankroll is just not enough to make a liveable wage and also have a low enough ROR. Unless you want to spend 70 hours a week at the tables, that is.

Have a back up plan, have "other irons in the fire" and be careful and cautious, sticking to low minimums and only opting to play ideal conditions. I hate to see or hear of anyone busting out and you can be the best counter going but an insufficient bankroll to handle the crazy swings (along with the emotional stablilty to deal with it) is why most don't survive.

I don't want to sound discouraging or make it sound like pounding it out with an $8000 bankroll is impossible, just want you to carefully evaluate the "stats" as far as your money management and hopefully be successful.
 
#7
You probally could do just as good as a delivering pizzas. Put your money in a CD for a rainy day or buy lottery tickets and hope to hit it big.
 

FLASH1296

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#8
Tarzan, InPlay, and non-self-weighter are all correct.

Two of the above are professional players and one is a smart novice.

The consensus is that you are not experienced enough to
fully comprehend the risk you are undertaking, and the
virtual impossibility of earning the kind of money you want
to win, without being tossed out of the casino or going broke.



 
#9
FLASH1296 said:
Tarzan, InPlay, and non-self-weighter are all correct.

Two of the above are professional players and one is a smart novice.

The consensus is that you are not experienced enough to
fully comprehend the risk you are undertaking, and the
virtual impossibility of earning the kind of money you want
to win, without being tossed out of the casino or going broke.




Thanks for compliament (smart novice) Flash. I caught that post on BJ 21 comparing UBZ 2 with Kiss 3 you could not believe it was so close. Sometimes keeping it simple is the best if you are a smart novice.
 

callipygian

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Mr.M said:
I have a backup plan if this fails so I wont letting my kids starve.
I advise enacting your backup plan now and doing this:

InPlay said:
Put your money in a CD for a rainy day
Mutual funds might not be such a bad either right now, either. A little higher risk than a CD but higher yielding in the long run.
 

Mr.M

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#11
LOL, ok I get the diea. What is a feasble amount then? From looking at the links it would be $8,000 x .0017 = $15. Bet spread to $105 on a true +6.

I appreciate the harsh but realsitic feedback.

I do have other inconce, this would be a extra income, but as stated before I am up to my eye balls in debt.
 

johndoe

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Mr.M said:
I do have other inconce, this would be a extra income, but as stated before I am up to my eye balls in debt.
If the interest on your debt is high (anything above 5-6%, especially ridiculous cc debts of 20%+), dump the debt before you spend on anything else. There is no greater -EV!!
 
#14
What I would do is let it all fly. Go for broke what have you to lose. There are probally plenty of soup kitchens and homeless shelters to squat at. If that don't work try moching off friends and relitivies that might work for a while. Why in the whole would you quit a well paying job that probally makes about $75,000 grand is beyond me espically if you are in debt up to your eyeballs. Another option is to start sticking up banks and liquor stores. Good luck in whatever you do. If you land up in the joint drop us a line. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

callipygian

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#15
johndoe said:
If the interest on your debt is high (anything above 5-6%, especially ridiculous cc debts of 20%+), dump the debt before you spend on anything else. There is no greater -EV!!
Read this, and then read this again.

If your credit card debt is less than $8,000, pay it off immediately. And then do what it takes not to run it up again. Credit cards charge an absurd amount of interest (johndoe is not kidding about 20%+) and you'll hemmorage money every day you hang on to that debt. Another big plus about eliminating credit card debt is that it will improve your credit score, which will come in handy next paragraph ...

If you have other debt (house, car, etc.), consider refinancing it. Interest rates a low now and you can probably save on some payments. If you have luxuries you're paying for (e.g. boat), consider getting rid of those altogether.

I would personally advise staying as far away from the casino as humanly possible until you can come up with a bankroll which is completely expendable.
 

Mr.M

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#16
callipygian said:
Read this, and then read this again.

If your credit card debt is less than $8,000, pay it off immediately. And then do what it takes not to run it up again. Credit cards charge an absurd amount of interest (johndoe is not kidding about 20%+) and you'll hemmorage money every day you hang on to that debt. Another big plus about eliminating credit card debt is that it will improve your credit score, which will come in handy next paragraph ...

If you have other debt (house, car, etc.), consider refinancing it. Interest rates a low now and you can probably save on some payments. If you have luxuries you're paying for (e.g. boat), consider getting rid of those altogether.

I would personally advise staying as far away from the casino as humanly possible until you can come up with a bankroll which is completely expendable.

Thanks but I am going to let it fly, Its more like $60k in debt. Refiniancing is not an option. I am going to ****ing wing it and let chips fall were theymay, stay tuned and get your popcorn ready, like T.O. said...
 
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Mr.M said:
Thanks but I am going to let it fly, Its more like $60k in debt. Refiniancing is not an option. I am going to ****ing wing it and let chips fall were theymay, stay tuned and get your popcorn ready, like T.O. said...
Sick.

Well, keep us posted. This should be interesting, but somewhat predictable.
 
#18
Mr.M said:
Thanks but I am going to let it fly, Its more like $60k in debt. Refiniancing is not an option. I am going to ****ing wing it and let chips fall were theymay, stay tuned and get your popcorn ready, like T.O. said...

My man ! That's excatly what I would do. Let it fly !
 

Katweezel

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#19
Fortune favors the bold

Mr.M said:
Thanks but I am going to let it fly, Its more like $60k in debt. Refiniancing is not an option. I am going to ****ing wing it and let chips fall were theymay, stay tuned and get your popcorn ready, like T.O. said...
I ride with you, mate. $60K debt, $68K debt, makes little difference, does it... The difference a successful winning period could make in your life would be substantial. But a fear-free mindset would be essential if you are to succeed. Can you play fear-free? You have the ballsy attitude that could just pull it off, with canny play, recognition of opportunities (that often present, whenever you are in any casino), patience, emotion-control, max bet-control, etc etc. Good luck to ya M. Here is some ancient advice from an ancient winner: FORTUNE FAVORS THE BOLD. Go get em. :toast:
 

Mr.M

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#20
OK, back to reality, got my ass kicked for $2k.

I am sticking with $5 to $10 minimun bet , spreading to $120 max on a +7 or greater.

+2 - $20
+3 - $40
+4 - $60
+5 - $80
+6 - $100

Crazy, I can ****ing win at shitty ass $5 tables , but once I go to $25 tables I get my ass kicked. Did I mention my nickname is the born loser.

How vital is it to spread to 2 hands? Can you stay with 1 hand and get the same advantage?
 
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