Asked for ID

jimbiggs

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#1
So from what I've read, sometimes casinos will ask for ID when cashing out more than $3000 in chips so they can keep a log. If you cash out $10000 in one day they must file a CTR. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I was at a bj table in Wendover a while back. A player buys in for $500. He doesn't have a player's card. He loses all of it pretty fast. He buys in for another $500. Pit boss comes over and asks for ID. The guy is like, "What for?" Pit boss says, You bought in for $1000, so now I have to fill out such and such form for tax purposes. The guy says he's never heard of that before, but hands over his ID.

From what I've read, this is bullsht. Probably a casino policy, not a federal requirement. I know the guy didn't have to provide ID, but if he didn't hand it over, it would have brought more attention to him.

I've bought in for $1000 a few times at a single table, but I was using a player's card.

So my question is, when not using a player's card, has anyone been asked for ID at the bj table?
 
#2
jimbiggs said:
So from what I've read, sometimes casinos will ask for ID when cashing out more than $3000 in chips so they can keep a log. If you cash out $10000 in one day they must file a CTR. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I was at a bj table in Wendover a while back. A player buys in for $500. He doesn't have a player's card. He loses all of it pretty fast. He buys in for another $500. Pit boss comes over and asks for ID. The guy is like, "What for?" Pit boss says, You bought in for $1000, so now I have to fill out such and such form for tax purposes. The guy says he's never heard of that before, but hands over his ID.

From what I've read, this is bullsht. Probably a casino policy, not a federal requirement. I know the guy didn't have to provide ID, but if he didn't hand it over, it would have brought more attention to him.

I've bought in for $1000 a few times at a single table, but I was using a player's card.

So my question is, when not using a player's card, has anyone been asked for ID at the bj table?
Wendover is notorious for hassling people for ID. Surprising, being there are so many renegade Mormons there who can't afford for it to be discovered they were in a casino.

I have a players card in those stores but they still want to see ID when cashing out and I tell them to go to hell. They're just sweating the money and being nosy.
 

callipygian

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#3
jimbiggs said:
when not using a player's card, has anyone been asked for ID at the bj table?
When I was in my early 20's, all the time. It was pretty standard to throw my ID onto the felt along with my cash.

In those days, one of my friends (ironically, the oldest of us) looked like he was 16. We got carded EVERYWHERE we went, often multiple times at the same table (we once actually complained to a pit boss after we were asked to produce ID at every single dealer / floor manager change in a ~2 hr session, 6 or 7 times). One time, the waitress asked the dealer whether our ID's had been checked before taking our drink order.

As I started counting, I started intentionally leaving my wallet (and ID) in my room and carrying around a money clip with cash only, just so I could honestly say I didn't have it on me when asked. It wasn't a big issue anyway - by then I looked solidly over 21, so it was a real grey area whether I looked under 30 or not.

I was never denied a buy-in. One floor manager was really unsure and was probably about to deny me, but then I explained that I had no self-control with my ATM and credit cards so I left my wallet in the room. I was never denied a buy-in. Go go Gadget responsibility! :laugh:
 

Nazgul

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#4
jimbiggs said:
Pit boss says, You bought in for $1000, so now I have to fill out such and such form for tax purposes. The guy says he's never heard of that before, but hands over his ID.

From what I've read, this is bullsht. Probably a casino policy, not a federal requirement.
You're absolutely right. The casino is not required to get ID for such a small transaction. But they can demand ID from any player at any time for any reason. If you refuse to show ID they can kick you out. It's bullsht but it is their right. Refusing ID does look suspicious but it is sometimes better than the alternative, especially in a small town or a casino with lots of sister properties. The decision of getting ejected or getting tagged is one you should know before the situation ever comes up. Think about it right now and again before you enter each casino so that you'll be able to handle it properly when the time comes. In most cases giving ID is fine but certain casinos are better off played anonymously.
 

Pelerus

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#5
If you are using "alternative" identification at a casino for the purposes of obtaining a player's card, will this form of ID also be suitable if requested by the casino in other instances?

I know that some here use driver's license look-a-likes that don't actually say "driver's license" on them, and have been able to use them for getting comp cards. But if the casino then requests ID for tax purposes, I would think that would create big problems.
 

Kasi

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#6
jimbiggs said:
So from what I've read, sometimes casinos will ask for ID when cashing out more than $3000 in chips so they can keep a log.
I think casinos are required to "for each person that a casino knows who has bought in at, bet, or purchased chips, tokens, or plaques over $3,000, with one or more currency transactions in a single casino day, the record shall include the name, permanent address, SSN, or TIN of the person, and the currency amount and the casino license number of the casino employee preparing the record. "

It's a Federal law is my understanding. I think they are required to keep that report internally for 5 years should it ever be asked for.
 
#7
Nazgul said:
You're absolutely right. The casino is not required to get ID for such a small transaction. But they can demand ID from any player at any time for any reason. If you refuse to show ID they can kick you out. It's bullsht but it is their right. Refusing ID does look suspicious but it is sometimes better than the alternative, especially in a small town or a casino with lots of sister properties. The decision of getting ejected or getting tagged is one you should know before the situation ever comes up. Think about it right now and again before you enter each casino so that you'll be able to handle it properly when the time comes. In most cases giving ID is fine but certain casinos are better off played anonymously.
They can bar you for any reason- after they cash your cheques. That part is not optional in Nevada. Recommend you keep the number of the NV Gaming on your cell phone and be ready to call it if anyone ever tells you showing ID is a requirement for being paid for a win.

When refusing ID, I make sure to give them a real nasty "FU" attitude so it doesn't look like I'm just refusing ID, I want to look like an emotionally disturbed gambler who doesn't want to cooperate with anyone on anything. In other words, a desirable customer!
 
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