Monaco

DMMx3

Well-Known Member
#2
I suppose no one knows. I'm headed there in a couple days so I will have to find out for myself.

Anyone searching for Monaco info in the future feel free to PM me for details.
 

Sharky

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#3
definitely visit the Grand Casino, but be sure to have a coat...they will lend you a tie.


the cars parked out front are all $250k+ Rolls, Martins, etc.

good luck and take all the br you have

sharky
 

FLASH1296

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#6

Venues where card counting is illegal may confiscate your winnings or
they may confiscate all of your chips and currency. Arrest is unheard of.
 

UK-21

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#7
I think in most houses of chance when you walk through the front door and play it is taken that you accept the terms of business (read rules of the house), one of which is that they can refuse to cash in your chips - without giving reason. In the UK, I'm pretty sure it's part of the terms of membership when you join a casino or chain. Confiscating them could mean some sort of physical intervention that I'm sure most places would wish to avoid - why would they want to do that? Just refuse to cash them.

Taking this one step further, I'm not aware of anywhere in Europe where there is a legal (contractual) obligation on a casino to cash you up, and therefore you couldn't sue in a civil court of law to recover the value of the chips you are holding. In the UK, the case wouldn't even be heard as it would be treated as a gaming debt and be bounced out of court.

Is card counting illegal in Monaco, or is it just considered to be cheating, (which I'm sure is illegal)? Big difference, as the second is an interpretation of the law, not the law. Both carry a huge burden of proof of course, although that wouldn't stop your common or garden copper from overstepping the mark if requested by a casino to deal with someone suspected of counting - most probably wouldn't know the law in this area anyway.

So the bottom line is the player takes a risk the moment they exchange real money for chips, and carry that risk until the moment they leave the premises with cash they have been given in exchange for chips they've cashed in (until you're off the premises there's always a risk that the house could stop you from leaving on the grounds they believed you had defrauded the house or cheated in some way in order to have gained the chips in the first place).

In the UK the chances of being arrested for card counting are nil, as there'll never be any proof that a player's doing it and I think most sensible police officers would be reluctant to arrest someone where they weren't satisfied there was clear evidence that an offence had been committed. The only cases of prosecutions for cheating (now an offence under the Gambling Act) are clear cut cases where players have been court on camera swapping cards etc.

Re Flash's comment, certianly in the UK I'm not sure that's right - you couldn't have the first without the second. To the best of my knowledge the police may confiscate offensive weapons or alcohol without the need to make an arrest, but to confiscate money without arresting someone on at least suspicion of obtaining it illegally is unheard of. It's the sort of thing you might expect in Thailand (where criminal justice is based on a tariff card), not in a European country with a reasonably solid legal system.

All theoretical arguements of course, that don't mean a lot if you've been arrested and left sitting in a cell for twelve hours and where the personals removed haven't been accurately listed by the custody officer. What two thousand euros?

In the UK, the biggest problem would be never being able to enter a casino again after seeing all of your memberships cancelled. You can tell it's Sunday morning . . . . .
 
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